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  • Socrates dutch warmblood stallion

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    10-22-2012, 05:13 PM
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Thinking of breeding? Read this.

A member on another forum, went to an auction yesterday. This is what she saw. Socrates - a well known Dutch Warmblood gelding, who sold for $1,800. Two years ago as a stallion, he sold for $40,000!!!!

This was just very sad to hear. From $40,000 to $1,800 in value in just two years. And this is a quality horse. No wonder some poorly bred horses at auction, get no buyers at all.

Think before you breed anything, these days.

Think before you say you'll keep the foal you produce, for ever. The people who paid $40,000 for Socrates, fell upon hard times. They never thought they'd have to send their horse to auction, when no buyers appeared.

Socrates was lucky. He found a buyer. Most don't. Life happens. We never know what might hit us tomorrow and our animals must find homes immediately.

Lizzie
     
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    10-22-2012, 05:20 PM
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I bought a horse from a trader for $250... they'd picked him up out of the kill pen.

Come to find out he was a pure Egyptian Arabian and was sold for $50,000.00 as a yearling.
     
    10-22-2012, 05:28 PM
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Foal
There was a 8 YO Thoroughbred that went dor 2.2 million in his yearling sale and was on a ottb website out here for $2500 I'm sure if he didn't get picked up he was going to auction
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    10-22-2012, 05:43 PM
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You guys always find such good buys. Everytime I go to an auction, there's literally NOTHING there besides either crazy horses or lame horses, or things that aren't worth that.

Although, we do have an earlier auction story. It was before I was born. My Mom had just gotten into horses so unknowingly she went to a kill auction. She bought two yearlings that were worth virtually nothing, and one BIG gelding who sold for $700, and then she was watching one of the horses that was being used to push the other horses/livestock into the pen. She wanted that horse too, so when they were at the end of the auction and they rode him in, she bought him too.

Well, the yearlings didn't turn out, but as it turns out the big gelding was showing dressage at a grand prix level. She took him to a trainer for the first few rides since they didn't show him ridden, and holy ****, apparantly he could piaffe, pirouette, tempi changes, half pass, etc. For $700. Later on though he got hurt in a pasture accident and had to be put down.

The other horse, Chocolate, was mine after I was born until he died at age 30. He was awesome.
     
    10-22-2012, 06:27 PM
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I think we all should be thinking about the idea of breeding well in advance before actually doing it. As posted above, some of the most valued horses were taken to an auction because something happened and they couldn't keep him. If you're debating on whether to breed, then buy what you want and go from there. Most good breeders have a prospect. You just have to look. From a business prospective, this differs somewhat. If you breed for profit, breed to a proven stallion or whatever the case may be. Know the market first is bottom line and see what those kinds of horses go for. Breeding is expensive but being smart about it makes it easier to know you bred the right kind of horse.
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    10-22-2012, 07:10 PM
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Yearling
Good post. It's so hard to resist the temptation of the dear little foals I know, I have resisted breeding for years until finally I can afford to keep the foal I will be breeding.
We had the same problem with our sheep - they're all pets, we'd never contemplate eating them so we only bred two lambs last year and, as that is all we can carry - along with other 5 sheep on our property at present we didn't breed again this year and won't until we know we can keep them.
     
    10-27-2012, 06:24 AM
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Foal
It is hard even for breeders who have made a name for themselves and for quality horses. I have a friend who had a well bred QH gelding that consistently placed at IBHA Worlds and she ended up giving him away because she just couldn't afford to keep him anymore. She had gone through her husband's retirement money on training and showing and with the turn in the economy, she simply couldn't sell him. These people have been breeding for well over ten years and usually have their foals sold shortly after they hit the ground. I am always looking for a "backup plan" should financial disaster strike. Our fur-babies are our children and I couldn't imagine having to part with one I bred.
     
    10-27-2012, 10:35 AM
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Weanling
I agree..you see and hear about this all the time...people getting in over their heads. The sad part is, even if you think you are being responsible, sometimes things just happen that is out of our control. I have four horses right now...and one bred for the spring, and that's enough...we grow some of our own hay..but still need to purchase some to make it through the winter...and with the price of hay so high this year, I wouldnt dream of expanding my herd any more, I can only imagine how breeding operations with many more are feeling.
     
    11-04-2012, 10:06 AM
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I bought a gorgeous 3 year old pure Tb stud once. She told me she had done most of the training except she hadn't ridden him and he has been out to pasture for almost a year. I decided to look at him cause he was cheap and I figured probably wouldn't take much for me to ride him. Well I went to see him and he was a gorgeous black bay beautifully built and I was like why do you want to sell this horse for only $300. I could tell by the look of him she must of paid good money for him. I figured there must be something horribly wrong with him. So I asked her why so cheap and she told me she bought him as a yearling for $2500 from a "friend" and he sent her false papers. The colt looked exactly the same except it was missing the white cornet marking that he had on his rear leg. Well after that the guy became suddenly unreachable. Imagine that. So she trained him and was prepping him to be a lead pony but at 3 he was only 15 hands and so he was too short for her liking. Anyways long story short I finished him out he was so gentle and laid back nothing bothered this horse. Within 2 months I was taking this horse on trail rides, taking him to rodeo to be around all the noises and horse. And I hadn't even gelded him yet cause it was so hot I didn't want him to be miserable. But you couldn't tell he was a stud one bit I was riding him around at my house in a rope halter bareback. When it cooled I gelded him. He's now being used as a therapy horse so he had a good ending.
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    11-04-2012, 10:17 AM
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Weanling
Completely agree. I have often thought that in order to be able to breed someone should have to get a license or permit or something, so that there is control over what is being bred and how many are coming out. But of course that isn't going to happen.
A friend of mine purchased a nice Appendix about 7 years ago for $15000, had lots of QH points, very pretty boy, lots of training. She tried to sell him last year, price went down and down and finally she gave him away to what was supposed to be a non-show, family forever loving home. Well that "forever" home couldn't keep him for whatever reason, and put him up for free. This person was lied to buy the new purchaser that they had a family farm and he was just going to be a trail and family horse. He ended up right back in the show world, boxed in a stall 24/7.
     

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