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post #101 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 03:32 PM
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show my one mustang that has even entered the nrha futurity? Show my one who has even cracked the top 100 at any level of the nrha. You would be hard pressed to find a grade horse at that level. Heck you would be hard pressed to find a grade even in the affiliate level. There are a few but they are very few and normally if the owners enjoy reining they end up buying a finished reiner with in a few years so they can move up.


Again there is a place and a time for the grade horses. I do not have a problem with people buying grade horses. I have a problem with people breeding grade horses.

Again i have a market for my horses. The colt that i have on the ground right now was sold a long time ago. Before the mare was ever bred. Again the people who buy this type of horse are not going to buy a mustang or a grade horse. So again i ask what horses am i displacing by breeding my mares??
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post #102 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 03:32 PM
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People with 30 Head of horses don't need to breed every mare just because they have good pedigree.

Why if those 30 head are well bred well conformed proven horses why not breed them? Again it comes down to market. There is still a GOOD market for that type of horse. Now if the 30 head are poor horses then I agree. Do not breed any of them ever.

If we only breed for our selves and stop being money hungry would help the issue alot.

Why? How does this help anyone? What about the person who wants to move up in a give discipline and needs a prospect to do so? Where are they going to get that prospect? Not everyone can afford a NRHA/NRCHA money earning daughter of Dun it to breed to a top NRHA/NRCHA stallion so that is where I come in. I breed my good mares and sell those foals to people looking for their next show prospect. Some I keep some I sell. The ones I sell pay for the training of the ones I keep. The ones I sell pay for the stud fees and feed and so on of the ones I keep.

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post #103 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 03:36 PM
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till blue in the face!!!

You are the one who stated a mustang can do it all. While I think they can make good horses with the right person and the right training they are not what most people are looking for.

SO again I ask you. What horses am I an other breeders like myself displacing? I am not displacing a Mustang. I am not displacing any grade horse out there and I am not displacing most average registered horse.

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post #104 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 03:42 PM
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You are the one who stated a mustang can do it all. While I think they can make good horses with the right person and the right training they are not what most people are looking for.

Can a mustang even compete at that level without being registered? Not sure don't show.. or even a grade?

SO again I ask you. What horses am I an other breeders like myself displacing? I am not displacing a Mustang. I am not displacing any grade horse out there and I am not displacing most average registered horse.
Not about displacing it's about over population.
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post #105 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 03:51 PM
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Not about displacing it's about over population.

Again how is what I breed and other breeders like myself over populating the horse industry? This is what I want you to answer. If it is a supply and demand business and prices are going up b/c there are not enough to fill the need then how is there an over population problem at this level? These people are NOT going to go and buy any old average horse. SO what I am breeding does not displace other horses of lessor quality or different breeding.

SO AGAIN I ASK. How am I contributing to the problem of over population and what horses are mine displacing?

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post #106 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 05:50 PM
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Again how is what I breed and other breeders like myself over populating the horse industry? This is what I want you to answer. If it is a supply and demand business and prices are going up b/c there are not enough to fill the need then how is there an over population problem at this level? These people are NOT going to go and buy any old average horse. SO what I am breeding does not displace other horses of lessor quality or different breeding.

SO AGAIN I ASK. How am I contributing to the problem of over population and what horses are mine displacing?
Well, of course you are not...there is a market for your good production, and a market for your culls, because they are well above average in their own rights.

People don't seem to understand that even in a down market there is still a demand. We are in a recession now, and car sales have been down. But that does not mean no new cars are being sold...it just means there are fewer than 3 years ago. It also means that some car models still sell well and some don't because they occupy different market segments that are in turn affected to a greater or lesser degree by the recession.

In an ideal world, in a generally down market, breeders that do not breed into a strong market segment are those that should stop breeding or at least curtail their breeding - that would include people that breed grades, and people that breed low-end registered horses. Even in that market segment, although demand is down, there is still some demand, albeit low.

To suggest all breeding should stop is a knee jerk reaction that is not based upon supply and demand. Again, ideally people should breed into market segments with a strong demand and not breed into market segments where there is little or no demand. Unfortuantely it doesn't happen that way...
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I really don't want to derail the conversation to another controversial topic, but I would encourage you to search that topic on this BB even - there's a lot of myths out there in regards to nurse mares and others such as PMU mares.
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What part about this going on in my backyard do you not understand this stuff does happen I have seen it with my own eyes theres one rescue group here who try's to pursued these farms to give them the foals some do some do not the ones that do not destroy the foals there i a company here that picks them up and boils them down to glue I know what I am talking about. You live in Canada I live in the heart of the TB racing industry just because you dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt happen and this is not off topic because all the nurse mares most of them are grade and their offspring are grade.

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post #108 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 06:17 PM
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This is the problem with the way the TB industry works. Since they do not allow ETs you have a need for a nurse mare if you want to send the mare back to the track. Same with Shipped semen. Why do you think that you do not see consistency with TB when it comes to racing? B/C of the way that the TB industry works. In reality they claim to do it to keep diversity in the gene pool. Things is that is not really what is happening. They are only localizing it.
Amen and nothing will be done in my state KEEP works hard to protect its TB industry all aspects of it.

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post #109 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 06:25 PM
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Well I am a grade owner of 2 different mares. 1 we may possibly breed in a few years to get a horse that my husband wants....may, may not. My other mare I dont ever want to breed her even with her beautiful temperment, and confo. I have horses for pleasure and for my kids to use if they get into FFA or other programs like that. I would rather get 100 $75 yearlings like Mystic than spend $3000 on a horse for its papers.

Makes me wonder if your so picky on what horse you buy, would you abort a child if it wasnt perfect? Or ask for a mans geneology before dsting him?
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post #110 of 127 Old 07-18-2011, 06:39 PM
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You can not compare horses to humans. We have been places as Stuarts of the animals here on earth. What we do affect them in many many ways. To produce an animal who has no future b/c it becomes lame, who is not the best it can be does more harm then good.

If you want to compare say a child how is crippled there are things that can be done. The most simple is a wheel chair. Might not be ideal but then can get out and around and do things. Now take a horse who is crippled lets say from bad conformation b/c it was poorly bred. What can you do for that horse? Horse can not lay down for a long period of time they need to stand and walk. There is no wheel chair for them to get around. There is no really good pain meds for them. So is that fair to that horse? It could have been avoided by just not breeding that mare with that sire to produce a horse with bad conformation that is going to brake down when you use it. So to compare the 2 is not even realistic.

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