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post #1 of 23 Old 07-20-2013, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
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Tossing the Idea of Breeding Around

Okay so this is an idea that I have been tossing around. I am looking to move up competively in the AQHA shows. I currently show HUS with my mare Mia Sweet Version. We do very well in the open shows but unfortunately she is too short for the bigger shows. My question to all of you out there is should I breed her for a prospect or buy? Now I know that a lot of people support buying a foal instead of breeding, however, this foal will be in the hands of a responsible owner, handled daily, and most of all loved with every piece of my heart. I am not a backyard breeder who just wants a baby to have one. So without further ado, let me introduce possible mama.

This is my current HUS mare Mia Sweet Version. She is enrolled in the AQHA Incentive Fund program and stands 15.2 hands. She is the best mare I have ever owned. She is very gentle and kind. I have no issue with putting children on her back and letting her pack them around as she does so willingly. She was originally bred to be a western pleasure horse but evidently she didn't get the memo because she moves out and does not like to slow down to do western pleasure. Below are pictures as well as her pedigree and a short video.
Mia Sweet Version Quarter Horse
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miaunicorn.jpg (This one is just for kicks )

Here are my two favorite studs, with Its All About Blue being my number one pick. He throws some absolutely gorgeous babies.
Hunters Ridge Farm - Home of Its All About Blue
These Irons Are Hot - Congress Champion & World Champion Sire

So let me know what you think, thanks for your time

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post #2 of 23 Old 07-20-2013, 09:25 PM
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You love this mare and she is great, is she worth the risk of loosing. Mares can die and foals can die during delivery. The cheapest part of raising a foal is getting the mare pregnant. Foal watch is stressful, training a baby is not for the faint of heart, and you can't use the resulting horse until its 3 at the earliest. There are not guarantees on height, or talent. You could just as easily end up with a short horse who like its mother is unable to compete at higher levels. So why not just go out and find a lovely prospect? At least you know what you are getting with minimal risk of heart ache.
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I currently have the money to raise a foal, so money is not an issue. I have successfully trained a chincoteague pony fresh from the swim in 2010, and I am aware that I would have to wait to show. The baby would be shown in lunge line events. Thank you for your imput.

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post #4 of 23 Old 07-20-2013, 10:43 PM
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You love this mare and she is great, is she worth the risk of loosing. Mares can die and foals can die during delivery. The cheapest part of raising a foal is getting the mare pregnant. Foal watch is stressful, training a baby is not for the faint of heart, and you can't use the resulting horse until its 3 at the earliest. There are not guarantees on height, or talent. You could just as easily end up with a short horse who like its mother is unable to compete at higher levels. So why not just go out and find a lovely prospect? At least you know what you are getting with minimal risk of heart ache.
??This is exactly what I would have said but it seems like you are already decided. So what are you asking for? Conformation on your horse? Or just a group of people that will agree with you that you are making the right choose??? I am at a lose??
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Just curious, how old is your mare? Have you bred her before or would this be her first?
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It does sound like you've already made up your mind...

But what are you going to do if the foal ends up being a shorty? Put it on the market with the rest of the foals who get passed over for people breeding their own?

Honestly, I think you're better off buying, and leave breeding for another time.
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post #7 of 23 Old 07-20-2013, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
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Oh my, I'm sorry if I am giving off the wrong vibe. I fully support people's different opinions and realize that everyone is looking out for the mare. As I stated earlier, this is not a done deal in any sense. I was just putting it out there. My mare is 12 and she is a maiden. If I did decide to breed, I have a very good friend of mine who owns a breeding farm who would be more than willing to help out.
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The prospect search is definitely on and this was just more of a thought. I'm terribly sorry if I offended anyone. I was just curious as to what you thought of the matches.
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Oh my, I'm sorry if I am giving off the wrong vibe. I fully support people's different opinions and realize that everyone is looking out for the mare. As I stated earlier, this is not a done deal in any sense. I was just putting it out there. My mare is 12 and she is a maiden. If I did decide to breed, I have a very good friend of mine who owns a breeding farm who would be more than willing to help out.
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When I breed to 2 horses together I consider several things and these are the first 4 things I look at.

#1 Temper
#2 Conformation
#3 Athletic Ability
#4 Pedigree

So, you're mare has the temper, you've already stated that. Is her conformation OUTSTANDING? What are her faults (every horse has them, not being insulting)? Do the 2 stallions you've picked compensate for her faults (have they demonstrated this in their foals)?

I would be concerned with her overall conformation, size is part of conformation and she's lacking there, athletic ability (she's too small to compete at higher levels so size compromises her ability).

When you put her pedigree together with each of the stallions, how does it shape up? Do they fill in the holes for each other? You indicate your mare was bred for Western Pleasure, not Hunter. You realize that regardless of the stallion, she could very well produce a Western Pleasure horse?

For the stallions, what kind of injury did #1 have that almost sidelined him? Was it related to a structural weakness? If yes, is your mare particularly strong where that horse is weak?

If I owned your mare, I would need a whole lot more info before I'd consider doing any breeding. Also, she's 12, while not too old to be maiden, she's not getting any younger. How soon are you planning on doing the breeding?

So, when you look realllly hard at your mare and answer all those questions, do you still want to breed? Or would you be better off maybe buying a weanling that's been bred for size and the discipline you want and raising it up the way you want? Are you prepared to cull an animal that is totally not what you were breeding for?

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Hah, if you offend just for bringing up the topic, then people are too thin skinned. I don't see anyone offended, just offering up some things that could go wrong.

Don't just think of this topic on a whim. Embrace it. Look at it from every angle. Look at all the problems. The knowledge of problems is not to scare you out of doing something, but to test your commitment. Do not run and hide. Be aware, and seek out the potential problems and what your answer to those problems is/will/would be. What is the worst thing that could happen? Well, that is easy. Your mare could die. Your baby could die. Mare could be permanently damaged. That is not something to take lightly, but it is a possibility that you should prepare yourself for.

Here is another option too that you might consider. Do you have it in you financially and physically to take on THREE horses by any chance? Maybe breed your mare next season(give yourself a few months to find THE stallion and better assess your situation), and get an older prospect that is ready to go to play with now. That way, your mare can hang out and focus on being pregnant(my mare assumed the Broodmare Waddle at around 2 months. LOL! She took her job seriously.) and you can still go down to the barn and have something to work on.

If your mare is that special to you, and she is in optimal health, and you are willing to risk her, then definitely consider it. My broodmare is extremely special to me. Her first pregnancy I fussed over her like nothing else. I was there when she foaled(OMG, I still remember that night), and her baby was physically not the best thing in the world, but OH MY GOODNESS. My mare gave me the greatest horse I have ever known. All he ever was going to be was a trail / fun horse. He was no great show prospect. Very small(his brother is two this year and is easily 3 hands taller than he was at 4), not refined, kinda ugly for what he was. I had been there when my mare was born, and MANY colts after her. Nothing could ever compare to the night she foaled.

Keep asking questions. Be prepared for some tough answers. I hope no one beats you up for it. There is no harm or shame in asking questions.
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