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    07-28-2010, 11:30 AM
  #1
Green Broke
WA Outrageous - discuss.

In keeping with the color theme, I wanted to discuss this oxymoron of a mare!

It's essentially been concluded that blue eyes are a result of splashed white or frame overo. So how do we explain WA Outrageous? She is registered purebred Arabian, and as we know, sabino is the only pinto gene found in Arabs thus far. As far as I know, we have NO other record of blue eyed Arabs.







Her sire is Khartoon Khlassic:







And her dam is Gladiola Bey:



That's the only pic I can find of her dam.

She has tons of full siblings, all with loud markings that could realistically pass for sabino OR splash, and sometimes even frame. No blue eyes though. Her full siblings:

Pikhasso


Unnamed


Gloriouss Toon





     
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    07-28-2010, 11:42 AM
  #2
Weanling
I don't know much about color genetics but we breed Arabs and have had a purebred Arab foal born with blue eyes...so it is possible. And I've seen many with either one or a partial blue eye.
     
    07-28-2010, 11:47 AM
  #3
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Juna    
I don't know much about color genetics but we breed Arabs and have had a purebred Arab foal born with blue eyes...so it is possible. And I've seen many with either one or a partial blue eye.
Pictures?
     
    07-28-2010, 11:48 AM
  #4
Yearling
This is slightly off topic but I had a full QH mare that had only a blaze but no other white and two blue eyes. If there were no paints in her pedigree in her first 3 generations for sure and I'm fairly sure there wasn't one in the first five even, what could've caused her blue eyes?
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    07-28-2010, 11:56 AM
  #5
Weanling
Hmmm...afraid I don't have any. We bred him several years ago and sold him as a weanling.

He had pretty close to a bald face marking...we always figured that was why he came out with blue eyes.
We had another mare a few years ago with half of a blue eye - she too had a lot of white on her face.

BTW- we named him Sinatra.

The bad thing about blue eyed Arabs is you can't show them in halter classes...technically blue eyes aren't "allowed".
     
    07-28-2010, 11:56 AM
  #6
Showing
My first horse's mother had a blue eye, and she was a purebred Arabian. She also had a belly spot, long white stockings, and a huge blaze.

My gelding out of her was also purebred, as she had been bred to an Arabian stallion. The stallion was dark bay with no markings, and Alfie inherited none of his mother's flashiness except for a small blaze. No blue eyes and no body spots.

The Arabian stallion Hi Fashion Imperial was responsible for a lot of the sabino markings and blue eyes we saw back in the day, and was Alfie's dam's sire.

When I was young and first into horses, Arabians with body spots, a lot of white, and blue eyes weren't considered show horse material. They were considered conformation faults, and you never saw a horse in the show ring with those things.

Once Khemosabi came along and took the Arabian world by storm none of those things, except blue eyes, were considered conformation faults any longer. It took blue eyes longer to be acceptable, and even today you'll find a degree of prejudice about them at the higher show levels.

I personally find blue eyes in horses to be creepy, although I know a lot of people like them.
     
    07-28-2010, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
I personally find blue eyes in horses to be creepy, although I know a lot of people like them.
Lol, I'm the same way. There's something so piercing and eerie to me about blue eyes. There's a horse at our barn with one blue eye and I always feel like he's examining my soul when that blue eye is faced towards me. He's really sweet though and has a pretty brown eye too.
     
    07-28-2010, 12:12 PM
  #8
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Zeke    
This is slightly off topic but I had a full QH mare that had only a blaze but no other white and two blue eyes. If there were no paints in her pedigree in her first 3 generations for sure and I'm fairly sure there wasn't one in the first five even, what could've caused her blue eyes?
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The splash gene that causes blue eyes has been well known to hide itself for multiple generations. They believe (not fact) that heterozygous splash horses tend to display much less white, ergo a solid horse with blue eyes and minimal face and leg white while in it's homozygous form you get the full body splashed white pinto coloring.

So now we have the question - can a form of sabino cause blue eyes, or do we have to admit and realize that our Arabians are actually carrying sabino AND splashed white? And why did it take so long for either to manifest physically on a regular basis?
     
    07-28-2010, 12:15 PM
  #9
Green Broke
ROFL, I don't know why I said NO records of other blue eyed Arabs. I meant no well documented cases.
     
    07-28-2010, 12:19 PM
  #10
Showing
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
I personally find blue eyes in horses to be creepy, although I know a lot of people like them.
Same here. Especially coupled with the pinky face for some horses. Although I met 1 exception - dark sorrel with darker blue eyes. Not sure how that came out (I've never seen such dark blue before or after), but it was totally awesome.
     

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