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  • High white sabiano traits faults arabian

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    07-28-2010, 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
So now we have the question - can a form of sabino cause blue eyes, or do we have to admit and realize that our Arabians are actually carrying sabino AND splashed white? And why did it take so long for either to manifest physically on a regular basis?
I for one have no problem if it's discovered Arabians carry both sabino and splash white.

The reason they took so long to manifest themselves, is because of the Arabian breeders. Those things were purposely avoided and bred out of Arabians in the U.S. And Canada for a very long time.

The big name breeders, trainers, and judges didn't want those markings, so they were considered conformation faults and bred out. Plus, they started the myth that well bred Arabians just simply didn't have those markings.

As I said, Khemosabi paved the way for making those markings acceptable. He was such a stunning example of the Arabian breed, that people forgot those markings were considered unacceptable.

Khemo was also extremely prepotent, and stamped his look and temperament on not only his get, but his grandget. I loved that horse. I even got to meet him once. He truly was a king, and knew it.
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    07-28-2010, 12:33 PM
Thanks Macabre
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    07-28-2010, 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Khemo was also extremely prepotent, and stamped his look and temperament on not only his get, but his grandget. I loved that horse. I even got to meet him once. He truly was a king, and knew it.
Sorry, but I have to crash the thread. I worked with an Arab gelding at a therapy barn named Bubba. He was either Khemosabi's son or grandson. He looked just like him, it was ridiculous.

Sorry this is so big, freaking photobucket sucks. =|

Showing off his perfect temperament. Born to be a therapy horse, Bubba was. =]
    07-28-2010, 01:13 PM
Green Broke
I think Khemosabi tricked them a bit though - in his day, people didn't even realize that it was sabino causing the markings on Drafts, so I highly doubt they realized the gene he was carrying until it was "too late"! Obviously some would have, but without the popularity of the internet hitting quite yet and the lack of genetic study being common knowledge, you can't help but wonder if he'd have been given his chance if people "knew".

Maybe that's why so many Arabs were grey - breed in a trait to hide the fault!
    07-28-2010, 01:23 PM
Actually Macabre, people were well aware of Khemo's 'faults', even way back when.

I remember having conversations with various Arabian people about him, and all of them were aware that he has the sabino gene.

It greatly impacted his original price, which is how the Husbands got him for practically nothing as a youngster. Those high white stockings and white muzzle were considered 'unfortunate' when he was born.

He had such a presence and was so correct conformationally, that people purposely overlooked his 'faults'. Plus, his owners marketed the heck out of him, which didn't hurt!

Once he was picked up by a syndicate, it was nothing but gold for him from there on out.
    07-28-2010, 01:26 PM
Green Broke
Wasn't he bred and born with the Husband's?
    07-28-2010, 01:36 PM
I thought they bought him. I could be wrong. I don't know Khemo's whole history, especially his baby years.

If not Khemo, then who the heck am I thinking of that was sold for a low, low price? Gah! Old lady brain farts! Maybe it was Raffles? Raffles was a gray, though.

Bah, I sometimes get the older horses mixed up. My apologies if I'm wrong.

I do know when Khemo was a youngster that people were worried about his 'excessive' white. Which seems laughable now, because I'd hardly call his coloration in any way extreme.
    07-28-2010, 01:42 PM
You were right, Macabre. The Husbands bred him. My apologies for my stupid today!
    07-28-2010, 01:43 PM
Green Broke
Yeah, history does indicate that he was always owned by the Husband's. I've never found anything online that ever described him as sabino, only surprise when he started siring sabino foals. However, I also haven't really spoken to anyone, I'm just going based on research and the old magazines I used to read.

Raffles did sell for peanuts, and it was because Lady Wentworth thought he was infertile. Apparently there was quite a commotion when he got to the USA and started siring like mad - Lady Wentworth demanded him back, and Selby obviously went "In your dreams!" He was sold for the price of a pet, as a suitable horse for his kid's to ride due to his size. Best bargain he ever swung I bet!
    07-28-2010, 01:52 PM
I'm not surprised you couldn't find anything in the written history about Khemo being sabino. I'm sure that's not something anyone wanted advertised!

It was pretty well known among Arabian people, though. Just not advertised to the masses.

Considering Amerigo was a gray and Jurneeka a bay with very little white, I'm sure the Husbands were quite surprised when that little bay boy with high whites and a large blaze with a white muzzle popped out!

It could have been either or both parents who carried the sabino/splash, since the Bedouins who bred the original Arabians didn't take issue with a lot of white or body spots. In a lot of the old paintings and photos you can find plenty of Arabians with these characteristics.

It was just when the breed was brought to the U.S. That the myth was started about how purebred, well bred Arabians didn't carry the gene.

Yes, it was Raffles of whom I was thinking. Yup, sold for a pittance as a 'kid's pony'. Selby sure got the best end of that deal!

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