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  • Khartoon khlassic offspring
  • Bay sabino blue eyed Arabian mare

 
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    07-28-2010, 02:07 PM
  #21
Yearling
What attitude do the Arabian breeders have - as in, from Arab countries - ?

I would be curious to know of their own attitude towards horses such as WA outrageous and even Khemosabi. Do they accept it, do they reject this gene?
I know there are still breeders in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, etc, who are very strict on conserving the breed's traits but I never saw any statement about coloring

Only things I have seen were some mumbles about the Arabian halter type. I remember some interview with Ali Al-Ameri in which he says "They breed these horses with beautiful faces and weak legs. That's not how our horses should be. They don't run on their faces"

P.S. Khemosabi - Sabino probably has nothing to do with it, it just crossed my mind.
     
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    07-28-2010, 02:07 PM
  #22
Green Broke
You can actually see it blatantly sneaking up his sire side, as Mesaoud is blatantly sabino/splash, and ironically, if you look up an old article, he was sold to Blunt Stud almost for that exact purpose as Ali Pasha Sherif didn't like his high white. It would seem, being as influential as he is, he could almost be deemed the beginning point for sabino/splash in Arabians as it seems to come consistantly through the Crabbet lines more then any other:



He also passed it on to his daughter Feluka and although HER daughter Ferda did not display physically (low leg white), her son Ferseyn was grey and could easily have hid it all the way through Amerigo to Khemosabi!

You know, in all my years of researching Arabians, the sabino thing was rather new and I never went looking. Considering how many Arabians have Mesaoud in their pedigree, it seems completely likely it originated with him in recent North America!

     
    07-28-2010, 02:12 PM
  #23
Green Broke
UPDATE -

I am exploring Khemosabi's entire pedigree through All Breed (as it has photos of most his ancestors) and even in the early 1900's every single time I find a horse on his dam OR sire side that could have sabino/splash - Mesaoud is a direct ancestor!
     
    07-28-2010, 02:14 PM
  #24
Showing
Very interesting, Macabre. Looks like you found the 'smoking gun'.

Mesaoud was a lovely horse, and I personally like a lot of chrome.

Just not bald faces and blue eyes. Blech!
     
    07-28-2010, 02:19 PM
  #25
Green Broke
UPDATE - I found it past Mesaoud, but in the same line! I think it was Zobeyni that started it back in 1844! He's grey and the only picture is a painting, but he's the common ancestor.

I found a sibling of Mesaoud through Zobeyni, named Mahruss II:



It appears his dam had it as well (Bint Bint Nura):



AND his great granddam (daughter of Zobeyni, Bint Zura):



Bint Nura and Mesaoud were half-siblings, both sired by Aziz (grandson of Zobeyni).

ROFL, I'm sorry, I'm having fun!
     
    07-28-2010, 02:24 PM
  #26
Showing
All of this is fascinating, and only reaffirms my belief that Arabians have always had the sabino/splash genes.
     
    07-28-2010, 02:26 PM
  #27
Green Broke
Haha, thanks so much for pushing me to explore this path! It's very enlightening, and definitely confirms how far we've come from high whites to horses like WA Outrageous!
     
    07-28-2010, 02:39 PM
  #28
Showing
I just never understood why the U.S. Arabian breeders thought sabino was a dirty word, and had to be denied at all costs.

Not in MY horses! Nuh uh!!! Never! Only crappy, ill bred Arabians have THAT!

Yeah, not so much......
     
    07-28-2010, 06:25 PM
  #29
Weanling
Ooops, double post.
     
    07-28-2010, 06:26 PM
  #30
Weanling
>>>>> As far as I know, we have NO other record of blue eyed Arabs.


HAAP Blue Lace, purebred Arabian mare--
HAAP Blue Lace - Bay Sabino Arabian mare


She has been used in at least 3 purebred pinto breeding programs, and is now in France. She has produced pinto marked offspring, including a filly with a blue eye like hers. That filly I believe is now a broodmare owned by one of Khartoon Khlassic's owners.
     

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