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        08-07-2007, 06:11 PM
      #31
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    Friesians are not draft horses. Their foals are not noticeably bigger than most other riding breeds.

    For example, the FPS prefers that embryo transfers are done to other Friesian mares, but almost any healthy mare in the 15-16 hand range is acceptable as a surrogate mother.
         
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        08-07-2007, 07:08 PM
      #32
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    There still big and saddlebreds are very slim like arabs.
         
        08-07-2007, 08:42 PM
      #33
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    *shrug* do a search on the web for Friesian crosses: you'll see that the majority of them are X breed of mare by a Friesian stallion. Saddlebred and Arab crosses are common.

    I'm sure this has a lot to do with the extremely high level of difficulty in getting a Friesian stallion approved for breeding: there are many very good horses that are rejected, but are still quite good for crossbreeding.

    Draft foals, on the other hand, ARE bigger...I can imagine you would want to choose your mare carefully in that case.
         
        09-24-2007, 10:47 PM
      #34
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jr_lover
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TxHorseMom
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jr_lover
    i really don't believe in temperment with breeding. I believe that's just how the horses are or depending on how they are raised.
    Sorry, have to disagree with you there. Although how a horse is raised has a lot to do with how they act/react to people and their environment a horses breed DOES make a difference.

    Qh are known for their calmness. Some think their "deadheads" or have no personality. That's not true either (no personality) but they ARE a calmer breed in general

    Belgians and many other Drafts are very calm.

    Arabians on the other hand are not as calm. They are known as a "hot" breed. IMO this is because they are so intellegent, and many people don't know how to handle that, but they are "different" (not bad, just different)

    Tb's are the same way.

    Think about the gaited horses. It is not the way they are raised, it is in them genetically to be gaited. Why should be gaited be genetics and not "temperment"?

    Personally, I breed for temperment, and I have found in the horses I breed, they are intellegent, yet very willing and sweet. It is BRED into them. How? By finding that type of Stallion (I own one, possibly two, he's a stallion prospect) and the right type of mare.

    Now, could you make one of my babies mean? Sure, if abused they could turn rank, but they didn't start out that way. Some horses are BORN rank. It comes from a combo of a poor mare and stallion and poor upbringing/training.

    I have also cross bred gaited to ungaited. Sometimes they end up gaited, sometimes not. But the potential between this cross is very exciting. I would LOVE to see a buckskin with feathers who is gaited! How awesome would that be!!!??

    Hmm I really disagree on that. I have found many of these in opposite things. Quarter horses for instance I have a friend who owns one not so laid back, i've seen neighbors with some not laid back and I ride one that is not exactly laid back. If he wants to go he'll go. It has nothing to do with the breed. Take it like this for example...........
    Humans are all not in the same way its like saying a white person is crazy a black person is loud and a mexican will kill someone. That's labeling.
    And everything I just said is not true and not what I think I just put stuff down. So its not the breed of horse that says personality or the way they are its the horse. If your talking parents wise i've seen some situations were that doesn't come in at all. The parents of a horse can be very calm and the baby can be hyper and a little devil.
    You can not get personality and the way a horse is by its genes. I am nothing like my parents. You don't get stuff like that from genes.
    What people are saying a horse is like is all labeling if someone would teach people this stuff you would know.
    Do you think quarter horses are calm and innocent and nice? Go ahead give me your answer.....
    wow! This is way off in my eyes. Many animals including horses, have certain characteristics based on their breed. To exacerbate the gene of a naturally crazy horse is irresponsible. That's why when choosing to breed any animal, there are things we look for. Conformation and all that stuff is important however looking at the personality of the parents is essential in ensuring that we try and carry on the calmer personalities.

    When I was young my dad used to breed and train pacers. The same guy looked after, raced and trained our horses for about 14 years. In that time we had around 90 foals born. Of that 90, about 6 were completely nuts and we were unable to do any good with them. The methods never changed and the gentle yet firm way they trained was amazing. Yet there were these 6 that just rebelled, for want of a better word. One was awful. He would bite and kick and carry on ALL the time.

    So if we can't be sure that even breeding quiet horses will get the same in their offspring, why would we breed with parents that have the potential to throw mean spirited horses in kind?

    Maybe you should do some research on choosing animals for breeding and im sure you will find more than one place that encourages people to breed only with suitable animals eg; no sick, aggressive or poor put together animals.

    Breeding horses is a priviledge and as such, we should be responsible by only continuing bloodlines that are providing the nicest, calmest horses. In reality it makes sense. How often do we watch jerry springer and think "those two just should not have bred". Its like that with animals as well. Some just arent made to continue populating the earth.

    And to finally answer the question put out there about quarter horses: I have never come across a mean, crazy or unlikeable quarter horse. (and I know you didnt ask it to me specifically however anyone can have an input can't they?) not saying they arent out there but there can't be many if I havent come across any in the 26 years I've been dealing with horses and I have had a few of my own. If there is an issue with one somewhere it either comes down to poor breeding or something has happened at some point to make the horse scared therefore, cranky and mean spirited. Horse behaviour might be another thing you might want to brush up on. Watching a horses reaction can often tell you exactly why they are doing what they are doing
         
        09-24-2007, 10:51 PM
      #35
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jr_lover
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TxHorseMom
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jr_lover
    i really don't believe in temperment with breeding. I believe that's just how the horses are or depending on how they are raised.
    Sorry, have to disagree with you there. Although how a horse is raised has a lot to do with how they act/react to people and their environment a horses breed DOES make a difference.

    Qh are known for their calmness. Some think their "deadheads" or have no personality. That's not true either (no personality) but they ARE a calmer breed in general

    Belgians and many other Drafts are very calm.

    Arabians on the other hand are not as calm. They are known as a "hot" breed. IMO this is because they are so intellegent, and many people don't know how to handle that, but they are "different" (not bad, just different)

    Tb's are the same way.

    Think about the gaited horses. It is not the way they are raised, it is in them genetically to be gaited. Why should be gaited be genetics and not "temperment"?

    Personally, I breed for temperment, and I have found in the horses I breed, they are intellegent, yet very willing and sweet. It is BRED into them. How? By finding that type of Stallion (I own one, possibly two, he's a stallion prospect) and the right type of mare.

    Now, could you make one of my babies mean? Sure, if abused they could turn rank, but they didn't start out that way. Some horses are BORN rank. It comes from a combo of a poor mare and stallion and poor upbringing/training.

    I have also cross bred gaited to ungaited. Sometimes they end up gaited, sometimes not. But the potential between this cross is very exciting. I would LOVE to see a buckskin with feathers who is gaited! How awesome would that be!!!??

    Hmm I really disagree on that. I have found many of these in opposite things. Quarter horses for instance I have a friend who owns one not so laid back, i've seen neighbors with some not laid back and I ride one that is not exactly laid back. If he wants to go he'll go. It has nothing to do with the breed. Take it like this for example...........
    Humans are all not in the same way its like saying a white person is crazy a black person is loud and a mexican will kill someone. That's labeling.
    And everything I just said is not true and not what I think I just put stuff down. So its not the breed of horse that says personality or the way they are its the horse. If your talking parents wise i've seen some situations were that doesn't come in at all. The parents of a horse can be very calm and the baby can be hyper and a little devil.
    You can not get personality and the way a horse is by its genes. I am nothing like my parents. You don't get stuff like that from genes.
    What people are saying a horse is like is all labeling if someone would teach people this stuff you would know.
    Do you think quarter horses are calm and innocent and nice? Go ahead give me your answer.....
    wow! This is way off in my eyes. Many animals including horses, have certain characteristics based on their breed. To exacerbate the gene of a naturally crazy horse is irresponsible. That's why when choosing to breed any animal, there are things we look for. Conformation and all that stuff is important however looking at the personality of the parents is essential in ensuring that we try and carry on the calmer personalities.

    When I was young my dad used to breed and train pacers. The same guy looked after, raced and trained our horses for about 14 years. In that time we had around 90 foals born. Of that 90, about 6 were completely nuts and we were unable to do any good with them. The methods never changed and the gentle yet firm way they trained was amazing. Yet there were these 6 that just rebelled, for want of a better word. One was awful. He would bite and kick and carry on ALL the time.

    So if we can't be sure that even breeding quiet horses will get the same in their offspring, why would we breed with parents that have the potential to throw mean spirited horses in kind?

    Maybe you should do some research on choosing animals for breeding and im sure you will find more than one place that encourages people to breed only with suitable animals eg; no sick, aggressive or poor put together animals.

    Breeding horses is a priviledge and as such, we should be responsible by only continuing bloodlines that are providing the nicest, calmest horses. In reality it makes sense. How often do we watch jerry springer and think "those two just should not have bred". Its like that with animals as well. Some just arent made to continue populating the earth.

    And to finally answer the question put out there about quarter horses: I have never come across a mean, crazy or unlikeable quarter horse. (and I know you didnt ask it to me specifically however anyone can have an input can't they?) not saying they arent out there but there can't be many if I havent come across any in the 26 years I've been dealing with horses and I have had a few of my own. If there is an issue with one somewhere it either comes down to poor breeding or something has happened at some point to make the horse scared therefore, cranky and mean spirited. Horse behaviour might be another thing you might want to brush up on. Watching a horses reaction can often tell you exactly why they are doing what they are doing

    Oh and to top it all off (this just keeps going doesn it lol), do some research and learning about genetics. Then you wont have to say way off things like "You can not get personality and the way a horse is by its genes. I am nothing like my parents. You don't get stuff like that from genes." :roll:
         

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