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post #11 of 23 Old 12-14-2012, 12:11 AM
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OK. Except I don't understand why you are insinuating that I called the horse a gypsy.I did not.
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I did not insist. I only know that most Americans, consider "vanners', Gypsies. Only trying to educate.

The word we still use today to describe deliver vehicles, - ie. vans, comes from the original old word 'vanner'. Our current UPS delivery man, would have been known as a vanner in the old days, in the UK. And his horse, known also, as a vanner.

Generations ago, Gypsy Horse/Cob breeders, often sold their 'half-leggers' to delivery companies. These were horses whom they deemed as less than ideal and not of breeding quality. Not that some good ones didn't end up as vanners, working in the streets of England's big cities. Remember, horses were often the Gypsies only means of currency.

You can see some vanners and their horses, here..

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I am old enough to remember when almost all our milk, bread and groceries, were delivered by vanners, in England.

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post #13 of 23 Old 12-14-2012, 05:45 AM Thread Starter
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hi yes i do think he has a heavy type in him but not sure whjat as he is way too stocky to just be a welsh cob. someone said that he looks like he has shire in him or maybe even clyds :S but unsure of this his head is huge :S
thankyou for your suggestions though :)

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Doesn't really matter what he is, Midnight Dream. He looks like a nice quiet fellow for you. If he has Gypsy in his background, then he'd also have Shire, since they are behind most Gypsies.

In the late 1800's and early 1900's, my grandfather bred Welsh cobs in Wales and owned at one time, a very famous stallion. A while ago, someone sent me an oil painting of the horse, which was a real treasure to have. The horse was black and known as 'Stallion Jack'.

By the way, where are you in Wales? I have tons of family still there. Most of them around the Blackwood, Bedwellty, Bargoed area. I miss Wales very much. Sometimes, if I concentrate, I can still smell that wonderful mountain air. All my family ancestors, are buried in St. Sannan's Church, in Bedwellty. My ashes will also be sent there one day. Hopefully not too soon though.

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hi thanks and yes he is amazing such a kind nature not a bad bone in him typical cob :) and im in south wales area and thats really nice :) i owned a famous arabian mare she was imported from russia her name was viuga she was stunning she was the last of her breed.
and yes wales is really nice when its not raining i love it here :)

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I was curious and looked up Viuga and she shares some of the same bloodlines (specifically Nazeer) as the very first mare I had growing up. I thought that was kind of neat... small world. :)
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I would not pick welsh cob at all - his head seems very clydey to me Bet he's wonderful to ride
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feathered feet thats very interesting and I did not know that. So I learned something new today. As for the equine in question I have no clue. Something cute crossed with something else cute. Also your photos make me want to visit Wales.
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I did not insist. I only know that most Americans, consider "vanners', Gypsies. Only trying to educate.

The word we still use today to describe deliver vehicles, - ie. vans, comes from the original old word 'vanner'. Our current UPS delivery man, would have been known as a vanner in the old days, in the UK. And his horse, known also, as a vanner.

Generations ago, Gypsy Horse/Cob breeders, often sold their 'half-leggers' to delivery companies. These were horses whom they deemed as less than ideal and not of breeding quality. Not that some good ones didn't end up as vanners, working in the streets of England's big cities. Remember, horses were often the Gypsies only means of currency.

You can see some vanners and their horses, here..

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I am old enough to remember when almost all our milk, bread and groceries, were delivered by vanners, in England.

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What a very informative post Lizzie!

Love the old photos. Definitely a beautiful breed.

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I have no idea what breeds he might have, but he's certainly a cutie. Love those heavy bones and big feet!


Oh, I did just have a thought though. If he does carry Clyde or Shire, it's probably a couple of generations back, considering that he's no bigger than he is (?I'm guessing between 14.2 and 15 hh?).

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