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post #11 of 53 Old 11-08-2010, 12:00 PM
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Can I ask what your plan is for the foal? Will you be selling it, or keeping it to add to your family? How many horses do you have already?

Oh and interesting link I just found on another thread here...http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp

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post #12 of 53 Old 11-08-2010, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rbarlo32 View Post
Just to point out you don't nead to know about colours and genetics to be able to look after a foal.
Not necessarily, but not knowing what a bay or chestnut is [very simple horse knowledge] is pretty scary. Period. If the OP doesn't know what color her horse is, how on earth is she supposed to know how to halter break a baby?

On the other hand, just because you know what color your horse is doesn't mean you are ready for a baby either. My 12 year old sister knows horse colors, but I certainly wouldn't encourage her to take on a baby.

Before you take on a weanling, I think you should be very well versed in the horse world. Before you take on BREEDING, I think you should be a genius.

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post #13 of 53 Old 11-08-2010, 12:25 PM
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If I were you, I would do some genetics testing on your mare...it is the best way to come up with what the possibility are for her as in throwing a color foal. I would also keep an eye on the genetics of the stud used... you want one that is homozygous for the coloring you want to really get what you want. I really suggest you do a LOT of research on genetics where it comes to colors so that you make the best choice.
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Your description of both horses, also confuses me. I'm thinking your mare is a chestnut with flaxen mane and tail, but is actually a paint due to background and maybe some markings. I have absolutely no idea what colour the stallion is, from your description.

Why don't you post full body pictures of your mare here and also that of the stallion. If your mare has always produced loud coloured foals in the past, it could have been that the stallion/s were homozygous for tobiano/pinto and were known for producing lots of colour.

Have you colour tested your mare? That would be a good start. Also, if she is indeed a paint, and even if solid, you should test her for frame at the same time. Is the stallion colour tested? If so, what were the results.

You might want to join the Equine Color Info forum too. There you will be able to learn a great deal about colour genetics.

Another question would be, why have you chosen this particular stallion for your mare? Have you already seen what he has produced, since I suspect you are breeding for colour alone.

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post #15 of 53 Old 11-08-2010, 08:02 PM
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This is my opinion and my opinion only but I think y'all have been a little harsh on this person based on this post. I know quite a few ppl out there that have immense knowledge about breeding safely and responsibly but really have no concept or care about color/genetics.

On the other hand I think that if someone is breeding for color ONLY and not taking other characteristics of the horse such as conformation or temperment then they are not being responsible breeders.

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post #16 of 53 Old 11-08-2010, 08:21 PM
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OP stated that they are breeding for colour. Also, the horses that they want to breed together both sound like they are possible frame carriers, which must be tested for before s/he breeds them. And being Paints, I can only assume that there is a chance there is some HYPP possibility there too.

The OP needs to know these things, and saying that there are plenty of good breeders that have no knowledge of genetics is wrong. They may not know that X colour crossed with Y colour gives Z colour - but any responsible breeder knows the genetic history of their horse.

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post #17 of 53 Old 11-08-2010, 10:16 PM
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Nobody is expecting a breeder how to write out an extension or know off the top of their head what colors you can get from breeding buckskin to grey tobiano.

You can tell a great deal about someone simply by the knowledge they have. If you have been around horses any amount of time, you pick up basic things like the difference between chestnut and bay, a filly and a mare or an English saddle from a Western saddle. Someone who is unable to name even basic horse colors is someone who either hasn't spent a lick of time around anyone educated, or someone who has and just couldn't be bothered to learn. Either way, it isn't a great formula for a potential breeder.

I don't think anyone here was "harsh" - if anything, the immediate defensiveness of the OP can tell you even more about her character and openness to learning anything new. Sometimes the people being "harsh" are just the ones who are really good at reading between the lines and taking more from a post or personality then just general spelling errors.

In the end, breeding stock horses is one of the most dangerous when it comes to genetics. The mixing over the years has resulted in most Appaloosa and Paint lines carrying all those Quarter Horse genetic diseases. They've also become spectacular at hiding frame overo, to the point where I would never even CONSIDER breeding a stock horse without testing - I don't care HOW many generations of "solid" I see. Obviously the concerns lay with all breeds, but people tend to forget that Paint horses are JUST as prone to HYPP, HERDA, LWO, etc. as Quarter Horses.

I hope God tells her to smash her computer with a sledgehammer.

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Know what, forget it. I was just wondering what the possibles were. I have 3 horses, I know how to care for them. Would you really think, I would get a animal I won't know how to care for?

The mare:She is a full paint, brown body. Her mane&tail is color based blond and red in it. (I have a photo of her in my profile).

Stallion: He is white based, red dapple coat. His also full paint, his mane&tail is red.
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Knowing how to care for a horse does not mean you have the knowledge to breed. There are thousands of unwanted horses needing homes, why not save one of those instead of adding to the issue when you have no business doing so?

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Well the OP might quite well know how to care of a horse, but it's painfully obvious from this....

The mare:She is a full paint, brown body. Her mane&tail is color based blond and red in it. (I have a photo of her in my profile).

Stallion: He is white based, red dapple coat. His also full paint, his mane&tail is red.
....that she knows absolutely nothing about colour and probably shouldn't be breeding - at least not until she does some homework.

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