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    06-01-2009, 10:05 PM
What color is my new colt?

He looks like a dark bay, but he is only a day old and I have never seen a bay born with jet black legs. So I'm curious. Genetically he can be a bay, bay roan, black, or blue roan. (his mama is a red roan w/ at least 1 copy of agouti gene -because she had a bay roan colt last year- daddy is a blue roan that is homozygous for black - no agouti gene since he is black)

So my questions are: is there any way to differentiate between a bay base and a black base color at this point? Can bay foals have dark legs? And is there anyway to tell if he is a roan at this age?

Interesting notes:he has dark black bars on his legs above the black socks, his ears are black and he has a faint dorsal stripe, also he almost looks like he has black stripes like a brindle - but very, very faint - like a black cat with black stripes.
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    06-01-2009, 10:22 PM
Green Broke
From the looks of his tummy, he is much lighter, I think when he's older he'll be a roan of some kind.
As you said, its hard to tell at only one day old. =)

    06-01-2009, 10:26 PM
It is so hard to tell on one so young. He could be bay, brown, black, blue roan, etc. They can change colors so many times in that first year that sometimes you have to wait until they are almost a yearling before you know for sure.
    06-01-2009, 11:20 PM
From the lighter around the eyes I'd say he's going to grey out in one way or another (roaning in the case of the genes of your mare and sire). My baby was born much lighter and is shedding darker - his legs are a fawn-ish color but around his eyes and his muzzle is darker rather than lighter and he's got a dark dorsal stripe and red (no grey) in his ears.
    06-02-2009, 06:35 AM
Solid bay :)
    06-02-2009, 08:03 AM
Looks like a bay now, but roaning can take up to 5 years or better. Looks like he's got a good start.
    06-02-2009, 01:00 PM
Green Broke
Well, his unusual color for a newborn (not being black, and yet having black legs so early) can actually be a strong indicator for roaning, which won't show until he sheds his foal coat, sometimes even later.

This is a fascinating website with some absolutely unbelieveable examples at the bottom of foals in foal coat and what they turned into when they shed. Looking at the very first example of a dark bay colt with dark legs which shed out into an extremely loud bay roan, I'm going to see your boy is hiding some roan on you. And I'm going to go with bay roan, since I personally think he's clealy not black as he would have been born a more even shade if he was. For example, four number four shed off as blue roan and while he doesn't look black, you can see the same even shade of his dull foal coat.

Anyway - I'm going to say bay roan!

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    06-02-2009, 01:25 PM
I think he will roan out. The reason I suspect this is simply because of the lighter hairs around his eyes and the fact that his dam is a roan (correct?). Also he is very young to have black points if he were to be a bay. Later down the road let us know!
    06-02-2009, 01:39 PM
Green Broke
I don't understand all of the comments about the lightness around the eyes. That only applies to gray and without a gray parent - that gene can not be present. Classic roan leaves the head alone and only effects the body. The only way the lightness around the eye could indicate something of that nature is if the "blue roan" daddy was actually a gray that has been misidentified. Any photos of the sire?

The primitive markings on the foal are not unusual - a lot of foals have primitive type markings until the foal coat sheds - its a type of camo for the babies that has nothing to do with a dun gene. However, it could stick around in the future in the form of countershading if this foal is really a dark bay with the smutty gene. The smutty gene can create countershading that resembles primitive markings.

From the photos & the info provided (if the sire's color is accurate), I bet this baby is going to be a black-based (blue) roan. However, its going to be hard to know 100% sure until the foal sheds its coat.
    06-02-2009, 08:19 PM
Here are some more pics. The first is his daddy, the second is his mother with her foal from last year. It's this pic that had me wondering about his color, the foal in the picture shed out to be a bay roan and they are full brothers but look totally different at birth.
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