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    07-17-2010, 12:38 AM
  #21
Foal
LOL Thanks

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Originally Posted by Eliz    
Hey you're in Oklahoma too? :)
Saddlebreds aren't "rare" here, so don't be so surprised if she is one LOL

Ha ha thanks and that's awesome I always thought the majority of horses here were QH TB or Arabians guess I was wrong, I didn't think there weren't any here but the chances of me finding one that no body wanted seems well honestly slim to none THANKS again
     
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    07-17-2010, 12:48 AM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by TinRoses    
bay tobiano with some sabino thrown in there for good measure. The black markings are ermine marks which are indicative of a tobiano being homozygous for the trait/gene. Be a good idea to have her tested for her black homozygousity (if she's out of a black or bay sire/dam combo) and for agouti. Might be shocked what it tells you!
Perhaps slightly off topic, but do ermine spots on a solid color mean anything? My brand new baby colt has ermine spots and he is either a bay or chestnut, probably turning gray. I almost bought another horse that was a bay with ermine spots. So do ermine spots on a solid color mean anything interesting genetically?
     
    07-17-2010, 01:13 AM
  #23
Foal
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
Perhaps slightly off topic, but do ermine spots on a solid color mean anything? My brand new baby colt has ermine spots and he is either a bay or chestnut, probably turning gray. I almost bought another horse that was a bay with ermine spots. So do ermine spots on a solid color mean anything interesting genetically?
your solid baby may be stealth tobiano. Do you have a photo?
     
    07-17-2010, 02:01 AM
  #24
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by TinRoses    
your solid baby may be stealth tobiano. Do you have a photo?
Yes, I definitely have photos.

I don't know if I have any that show the ermine spots well, but I will take a look and post the best photo or photos. He actually has ermine spots on both hind legs, but it only shows up on one leg in my photos. His only face marking is a tiny star. Mom is a Foxtrotter and she has thrown spotted foals (according to registry records) but I always assumed that must have came from the other foal's sire(s) because the mare herself doesn't appear spotted (she's a gray). This particular foal's dad was a chestnut QH, solid in color, so I am pretty sure he isn't hiding tobiano.

That would be weird if tobiano came from mom, because she has thrown spotted foals before I owned her, but she doesn't look tobiano in any way to me.

Okay, and below my foal's photos are a gelding I almost bought, but he had a bad chronic hoof crack so I didn't get him. But he had really cool ermine spots.

Hey, I have one other question, and that would rule these guys out as a hidden tobiano anyway, and that is: Do tobianos have to have four white socks? I think there are rare exceptions, but I have heard that basically, tobianos always have four socks, correct?
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    07-17-2010, 03:39 AM
  #25
Foal
Wink Another huge yearling 14.2

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Originally Posted by darkpaloma    
I really don't know if she is a paint but she is a 14 hand yearling, I DID have the vet out and she DID age her, but she couldnt tell me the breed either. She could be anything!
Amazing! The QH palomino colt I just bought is already 14.2 at the wither, and almost 15 hands at the rump! I never saw anything like it! I'm glad I'm not alone. I don't think they'll necessarily be extraordinarily big in the end ... they're just growing UP first, and will fill out later. But it's hard to pick the 'yearling' out from among the horses in the field. Maybe it's global warming (joke!).
     
    07-17-2010, 12:43 PM
  #26
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While paw prints are often (NOT always) an indicator of tobiano zygosity, ermines are often due to a supressor.
     
    07-17-2010, 02:28 PM
  #27
Foal
What would be an example of a supressor? Is it kind of gene, or allele?
     
    07-17-2010, 03:40 PM
  #28
Started
It's a gene that supresses the amount of white a horse displays. If a pinto horse has a supressor, it would show less white than a horse who didn't have the supressor.
     
    07-17-2010, 04:44 PM
  #29
Foal
Thanks! Its new learning for me. Does it work in non-paint horses, as well? I had a chestnut mare with ermine spots on her feet. She had 4 white pastern and half-cannon socks and a broad blaze ... so without the ermine spots, do you think she could have had larger (taller) socks? Is that how it works?
     
    07-17-2010, 08:33 PM
  #30
Foal
Smile Can't seem to post a thread

Hi
I am relatively new here and for some reason, I can't post a thread, I have posted others but it wont let me or I am doing something wrong. What am I supposed to hit to ask a question?

Anyway if you were to push on my name (Spring in meadow) you would see a very small album of my horses. Some are missing and I focused on Montana the large dare I say obese pony. I picked him up to get the weight off and try him out as the people who had him really did not know nor want to know anything about horses. Anyway, as I work to get some weight off of him can anybody guess what's in him? He looks like a mini draft, maybe a halflinger mix some type of cob mix? I am just curious turns out he's a very good pony the kind that rides well can be trusted and doesn't know the meaning of spook. Any opinions would be interesting and appreciated thanks spring oh he is 4 years old and I think 14 hh,
     

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