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    01-21-2011, 04:22 PM
  #1
Weanling
What color will the baby be?

Hello everybody,
My 6 year old grade paint mare is in foal. She is a chestnut tobiano (non homozygous - I had her tested)
- The study a a blue roan registered QH. I haven't seen the stud's parents, but was told that his dam was blue roan and Sire solid chestnut. We don't have a history on what this stud throws, because he is only 2.5 (2 in the picture - he has filled in A LOT since the pics were taken last summer), and my mare is "his first".

I have heard that "the roan gene" is a "strong gene" - not sure if that is true, but most likely this stud is not homozygous roan is his Sire was solid with no roan..
I am really hoping for a blue roan tobiano baby.. but my guess is it will end up a solid chestnut with no roan :-D (it's OK we will love him/ her anyway).

Please note that the stud's legs are camped out because of his training.. he was trained to do that for mounting. The stud picture is here as attachment.
I am posting picture of my mare also.
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    01-21-2011, 04:26 PM
  #2
Weanling
Here is one more picture of the stud.. sorry his pictures aren't the best as they were taken with me phone
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    01-22-2011, 12:00 AM
  #3
Yearling
Wow he is gorgeously built I think you are going to have one pretty baby. As for the color I have no idea but there is this website that has a test that you can take and do all of their information and give you an idea for what the color may be. Animal Genetics
     
    01-22-2011, 12:13 AM
  #4
Yearling
I think you're most likely to get a bay of some kind.

Though, the fact that you bred a rescue is kinda strange to me..

(and totally off topic, but if you're going to teach a horse to park for mounting, which strains their back, don't let them splay their front legs. This is incorrect in show and practical use, and increases strain)
     
    01-22-2011, 12:23 AM
  #5
Yearling
50% chance of tobi, 50% chance for roan, 50% chance it will be black based.

You may get blue roan, blue roan tobi, red roan, red roan tobi, bay roan, bay roan tobi, black, black tobi, chestnut, chestnut tobi, bay, or bay tobi.
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    01-22-2011, 01:22 AM
  #6
Weanling
Hi guys,
Thank you for the responses.. Yes my girl is a rescue, however I decided to breed her because she has really great temperament - good brain between her ears :0) and I really wanted to have her baby and experience raising it.
-as for the stud goes - I am not a big fan of the vaquero training they put him under (yes they do teach then to camp the feet out) - he is not my stud and I don't train that way
- However the stud is really nice looking and has very quiet stud, very agile from racing QH backround - so I am hoping to get a nice all-round foal with maybe some color
Blue tobiano would be awesome, but odds are against me hehe --oh well
     
    01-22-2011, 02:14 AM
  #7
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by vivache    
I think you're most likely to get a bay of some kind.

Though, the fact that you bred a rescue is kinda strange to me..

(and totally off topic, but if you're going to teach a horse to park for mounting, which strains their back, don't let them splay their front legs. This is incorrect in show and practical use, and increases strain)
Just as a note, bay is actually one of the least likely possibilities. Because the stud is blue roan, it means he's a black base which means it's impossible for him to carry Agouti or he'd actually be bay himself. The mare COULD be hiding Agouti because she's chestnut, but if she's not, it would be impossible for them to produce a bay. If she DOES have Agouti, it would also be a 50% chance depending on the zygosity of it.

I think the term "rescue" gives people a hang up - if she took in this mare because it was rescued from someone who'd starved it, there's really no reason she can't be bred once she's healthy again. Not that I agree with the breeding necessarily, but it's already been done, so not much sense in hounding her about it! Decent looking mare and stud, so seems she's done her homework!

Good luck!
     
    01-22-2011, 09:26 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Just as a note, bay is actually one of the least likely possibilities. Because the stud is blue roan, it means he's a black base which means it's impossible for him to carry Agouti or he'd actually be bay himself. The mare COULD be hiding Agouti because she's chestnut, but if she's not, it would be impossible for them to produce a bay. If she DOES have Agouti, it would also be a 50% chance depending on the zygosity of it.

I think the term "rescue" gives people a hang up - if she took in this mare because it was rescued from someone who'd starved it, there's really no reason she can't be bred once she's healthy again. Not that I agree with the breeding necessarily, but it's already been done, so not much sense in hounding her about it! Decent looking mare and stud, so seems she's done her homework!

Good luck!
I think you are right. I don't think bay could be possible. I think there are chances of a red roan, blue roan, chestnut and the tobi of all those mixes could be possible.
I also agree about the rescue some really good, registered horses with good blood lines are at rescues. The rescue near me has a Quarter Horse with nice famous blood lines (can't remember the horse right now). But some horses at some rescues may surprise you. I was either going to adopt a baby or get a mare to breed from a rescue, because I feel like I should give something that doesn't have a home a home. Brandy is a gorgeous horse and I don't see anything wrong with her or why she shouldn't be bred. And like she said she just wanted the experience its not like she is going to breed her a hundred times.
     
    01-22-2011, 10:08 AM
  #9
QOS
Green Broke
Your mare is gorgeous and I love the stud. I adore blue roan horses! Horses don't have to have papers to be valuable. Good training, good temperament win out over papers in my opinion and I am basically a strong advocate of registration. My first "big" horse wasn't registered - she was probably mostly QH or maybe was QH and just not registered. I would stack her up against any of my friend's horses at the time that were registered. She was better looking, better trained and better tempered. Sigh...I wish I had her clone right now!
     
    01-22-2011, 01:13 PM
  #10
Weanling
Aww - thank you! Now it's going to be the waiting game.. She was bred on May 29th 2010. I had the vet confirm after 45th day via palpation and he confirmed Bran was in foal We did not do an ultrasound since then.
-Had him come out 2 more times in month 5 and month 7 to give her Pneumabort shots and asked him if he thinks she is still in foal because she really wasn't getting much bigger.. he said that chances of the embryo reabsorbing after 45th day are pretty slim.. She is not huge yet she will be 8 months preggo on the 28th of this month - her belly is definitely pretty big now.. I first thought maybe the vet made a mistake or something and she just has haybelly, but up till Christmas I worked her almost every day, after that I started to give her more break as it was really cold here too and our arena is not heated.. but in the last 2 weeks I am believing she is really preggo because her topline towards her rump has been filling in too.. and since she was bred there is no way anybody can touch her "udder" and lower belly - she doesn't like that and was just fine with that before being bred
Anyways - I will go let Bran and her lil sister out now.. maybe I can take some shots of her belly from behind
     

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