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    09-02-2009, 05:14 PM
  #1
Foal
What color would I get?

I was wondering about breeding my bay roan appaloosa mare to a cremello QH, he is 100% Palomino and Buckskin producer. I don't know if the stallion has been color tested, and I know my mare has not been. I am not very familiar with Cremellos and how the cream gene works, I know this is prety basic for most of you.

My mare has had 4 foals before by 3 different stallions. Here is what she produced by each.
Foal 1, is a solid bay appaloosa w/mottling (roaned over years) sired by a black QH.
Foal 2, is a bay roan appaloosa with blanket sired by a tri colored paint.
Foal 3, is a bay roan appaloosa with blanket sired by a bay QH.
Foal 4, is a bay fewspot appaloosa sired by a black fewspot Appaloosa.

Wouldnt I get a buckskin?
Is there any other color I could get(besides appy pattern)?
Could the foal have roaning?
     
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    09-02-2009, 09:05 PM
  #2
Yearling
I wish I knew more about this, but I don't. I'm sorry. I have done it with cows, but, it was only two options, like a red or black baby, something along those lines in my Ag class. You could find stuff like that on the internet easy enough though. =]
     
    09-03-2009, 12:15 AM
  #3
Green Broke
Bay roan appaloosa mare to a cremello QH

Base color:
Likely 100% Buckskin, though there could be a 12.5% chance for a smokey black. It depends on if the stud has Agouti and if the mare is homozygous for Agouti or not.

For "spots", you'll likely get just roaning or something similar to your mare's "appy" coloration, or possibly solid w/characteristics with roaning later on (like the first foal).
     
    09-03-2009, 02:53 AM
  #4
Started
Your mare, being bay, is E_ A_ and no cream. The "_" mean we don't know if it's E or e and A or a.

The stallion is a double dilute, so CrCr. I know you said cremello, but without testing, really the double dilutes are technically impossible to tell WHAT they truely are. You can guess, and very often be correct, but there is a chance you're incorrect. So, stallion could be bay, black, or chestnut under the two doses of cream. But, that doesn't really matter since even if he IS a true cremello (ee CrCr with a's totally unknown), your mare has the E.

So, that said, your foal could be buckskin (Got E and A), Smokey black (Got E but aa), or palomino (got ee).

Appy patterns are trickier... getting Lp will give characteristics and roaning. So if the foal gets Lp from mom, yes, you likely will get roaning (but they can roan out at different rates). And if either sire or dam have sabino, and the foal gets that, too, that can boost the Lp and give false blankets.
     
    09-03-2009, 07:11 PM
  #5
Foal
Thanks everyone, I know its hard for you all to say for sure since I don't have the tests on them. Thank you for your help.
     
    09-03-2009, 11:58 PM
  #6
Weanling
Can you post photo and pedigree link for your Appaloosa mare? Is she a mostly white roan? If so, do you know if she had a blanket before she roaned?
     
    09-07-2009, 07:05 PM
  #7
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastowest    
Can you post photo and pedigree link for your Appaloosa mare? Is she a mostly white roan? If so, do you know if she had a blanket before she roaned?
here is her pedigree link. Pas Her for a Star Appaloosa

She was born with the blanket she has roaned more since I have owned her but blanket has stayed same.
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    09-07-2009, 10:38 PM
  #8
Weanling
Seeing as how a palo. Is a sigle dilute chestnut and a buckskin is a single dilute bay and, since your mares base coat it bay, even though she roaned out, the baby is likely to have a buckskin base coat.

As for appy markings and roaning I don't know a thing...sorry.
     
    09-08-2009, 07:52 AM
  #9
Weanling
She's really cute! The other post-ers have it right-- its most likely that the foal will be buckskin based, with a chance for either palomino or smokey black depending on how the A's and the E's go, LOL.

As far as Appaloosa coloring-- 50/50 chance the foal will inherit the LP gene from mom, which means at least app characteristics and possibly roaning. The mare's pattern may also pass on, and other pattern modifiers might be present in either or both sire and dam which could make a bigger or smaller blanket than mom has.

You mare's color and pattern sure remind me of her great-grand-sire Abdull's Pok-A-Son--
     
    09-09-2009, 04:50 PM
  #10
Foal
I was figuring she would throw a buckskin out of the cremelo stud, but wasn't real positive. Thank you everyone!!
     

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