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    12-17-2009, 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Eastowest    
>>>> I just found him

I would like to see a conformation photo of this stallion, and more about his foals. I looked at the website for him --
Our Stallion

And I am confused about what they are stating he "is" genetically-- they state he is homozygous for AA, EE, cream and DD-- yet they also say he has sired palomino, dunalino, and grulla foals (and some of the foal photos they are calling dun look like regular buckskin to me)-- if he has sired palomino and dunalino foals he cannot be homozygous EE, if he has sired grulla foals he cannot be homozygous AA, and if he has sired palominos and buckskins who do not have dun factor he cannot be homozygous DD.

Their website also mentions alot of foals sold without papers-- not sure why that would be something you would mention on your website like it was a GOOD thing?

I dunno-- this one just has my radar up. He might be a nice horse and his owners are just getting into the swing of things, and/or were given bad/inaccurate information, etc-- but IMO be sure to see him and his offspring in person or thru good photos and videos, and also request a breeding contract and go over it very carefully-- if at all possible find mare owners who have bred their mares to him and see what their experience has been.(All of the above is a good idea no matter what stallion you are breeding to IMO.)
I agree. Can we say color breeder who knows nothing about color or breeding or even horses from the looks of it.
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    12-17-2009, 11:42 PM
To get a buckskin from a sorrel, I won't even pretend to know the answer to that. But, to get a palomino from a sorrel, breed to a cremello, and the only color you could get would be a palomino.
    12-18-2009, 01:09 AM
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Green as in cash. If you want a Buckskin best way to get it is buy one.
I certainly agree there. Probably much cheaper as well.
    12-18-2009, 03:08 AM
Please excuse my ignorance. I have always read (in english horse books) that a dun is a light brown/cream coat with dark points. Later on in life I came across the term Buckskin which sounded like another term for dun. I thought that buckskin is the American term and dun is the English term for the same colouring. Could someone clarify the colour differences for me please.
    12-18-2009, 07:19 AM
Originally Posted by kiwigirl    
Please excuse my ignorance. I have always read (in english horse books) that a dun is a light brown/cream coat with dark points. Later on in life I came across the term Buckskin which sounded like another term for dun. I thought that buckskin is the American term and dun is the English term for the same colouring. Could someone clarify the colour differences for me please.

Taken from the International Buckskin Horse Association:

"A true colored buckskin should be the color of tanned deerhide with black points. Shades may vary from yellow to dark gold. Points (mane, tail, legs) can be dark brown or black. Buckskin is clean of any smuttiness. Guard hairs which are buckskin colored grow through the body coat up over the base of the mane and tail."

"Dun is an intense color with a hide that has an abundance of pigment in the hairs. The dun color is a duller shade than buckskin and may have a smutty appearance. Most dun horses have dark points of brown or black. Dun horses sport the "dun factor" points which include dorsal and shoulder stripes, leg barring, etc."

Definitely two different colors. A dun can have sootiness, whereas a buckskin is a clear coat. My guy in the avatar is a dun, even thought at first glance he looks like a buckskin. He has shading on his shoulder, forehead and has leg barring - a buckskin shouldn't have that.

Some say that a dorsal stripe = a dun. No stripe = buckskin. However, some buckskins can have a dun stripe, it will just be very clearly defined with no sootiness on the outside if clipped.
    12-18-2009, 08:44 AM
Green Broke
Dun and buckskin are genetically different. Dun is a seperate gene then "cream" which causes your palominos (chestnut with cream), buckskins (bay with cream), smoky blacks (black with cream) and double dilutes such as cremello (chestnut), perlino (bay) and smoky cream (black).

Dun is a gene that can affect ANY color - in fact, genetically, you can have a buckskin dun (a lot of people call them "dunskins"). Dun is a "primitive" gene that will always cause zebrea striping on the legs and a dorsel stripe. It really has very little to do with actual color, because dun and cream can both affect ANY color. The tell is in the markings, and from past lineage.

    12-18-2009, 08:46 AM
Green Broke
As a note, sooty can affect ANY horse. So while your standards bay duns (the ones that look like buckskins) are usually softer and somewhat sooty in appearance, sooty can affect buckskin just as easily and make them look "dun". Your best tell is in the zebra striping and checking past lineage.
    12-18-2009, 09:50 AM
I found this gorgeous grulla stud who is actually a performance horse. He is homozygous for dun so would that most likely be a red dun out of a sorrel?

He has two ads..

DreamHorse.com Horse ID: 1497446 - TUFF LITTLE DRIFTER
    12-18-2009, 09:52 AM
This ad has a conformation shot.
TUFF LITTLE DRIFTER - Grulla Quarter Horse at Stud in Phoenix, Arizona AZ - FREE Ads

It doesn't show the actual stud fee though.
    12-18-2009, 09:58 AM
His youtube video:

His foals:

His website:

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