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    12-12-2012, 02:51 PM
  #21
Trained
What are you looking to spend on a fee?

The problem with breeding grades is you never know quite what you're going to get, unless it's a grade "line" that you've bred down through the years. When you start adding new breeds to the mix you can really get something unexpected.

My first bet would be to stick with the breeds within her lines already. Otherwise I'd go with a stud that tends to throw similar babies over disparate dams, especially for the hind end if that's what you're worried about.

My friend has some FG babies and they are nice horses. Good confo and great minds overall, so it wouldn't hurt to take a closer look at the FG stud, though if you can afford it I'd try to breed to FG himself.
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    12-12-2012, 02:59 PM
  #22
Trained
Basically what reiningfan said in regards to GG.
     
    12-12-2012, 03:00 PM
  #23
Weanling
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Originally Posted by reiningfan    
Agreed. I would be very leery about dealing with someone who splashes their business all over the internet like that. The owner is very negative about other stallions but does not respond well to negative opinions of him by others. I just like to keep the crazy away as much as possible.
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amen to that! Though she's across the country, the sheer concept of someone like that is enough to steer me away.

I apologize in advance for posting lots about potential studs in the next few months, haha! :)
     
    12-12-2012, 03:04 PM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by MN Tigerstripes    
What are you looking to spend on a fee?

The problem with breeding grades is you never know quite what you're going to get, unless it's a grade "line" that you've bred down through the years. When you start adding new breeds to the mix you can really get something unexpected.

My first bet would be to stick with the breeds within her lines already. Otherwise I'd go with a stud that tends to throw similar babies over disparate dams, especially for the hind end if that's what you're worried about.

My friend has some FG babies and they are nice horses. Good confo and great minds overall, so it wouldn't hurt to take a closer look at the FG stud, though if you can afford it I'd try to breed to FG himself.
thanks for this! And yes, I definitely realize this about grades... always a risk. HOWEVER, although I will definitely strive to produce the best foal that I can, in the end I only show at the provincial level and am not that serious overall. If I end up with a healthy, somewhat conformationally correct foal I will be happy. I'd like to have something with potential re-sale value, just because you never know what will happen... that said, I intend to keep the foal and have been pretty darn happy with "incorrect" horses before. I guess I'm being picky with high hopes, but will be satisfied with whatever River baby I get.

I've been thinking about looking into some Arab or half Arab reining studs, purely for the athletic ability and butts, lol.

Unfortunately, FG is out of my price range (I think his fee is at $5000?). I'd like to stay below $1500 at the highest as I will almost certainly have to do AI, and I realize that can rack up as well.
     
    12-12-2012, 09:49 PM
  #25
Foal
If you want a REALLY nice colorful thoroughbred, consider Goldmaker:

Goldmaker - Avalon Equine

However, I am not sure what he has produced from mares like yours. You may want to ask Kathy. She is wonderful to deal with!!

Also, I have PERSONALLY seen and worked with SEVERAL Guaranteed Gold offspring, and the one thing I can definitely say is that he is consistent with reproducing certain traits. From what I have seen he definitely produces a nice hindquarter, and usually he improves a neck and head. Are you looking to produce a colorful, amateur-friendly horse that is trainable? You might like a GG foal. His owner may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to call her "crazy" on a public forum is a bit overboard, no? It's just in poor taste, whatever your personal opinion. I think that we should ALL manage to provide an opinion without resorting to name-calling. Just my $.02.

Off my soap box now. In all honesty, if you are going to look at thoroughbred stallions, you really want to consider one for the quality of their offspring, regardless of color, and consider ONLY those that are actually producing offspring that are having success doing what YOU want to do, out of mares similar in type and breeding to your own. They do exist, but maybe not so much in a colored package. Color should be the last consideration, especially with a maiden mare of somewhat "spotty" lineage. She looks like a nice mare, but you really don't know what might come through in her offspring, so you want to be VERY careful to find a stallion that really stamps his offspring with the type you want.

I really don't think there is much better than a GOOD thoroughbred stallion. I use nice thoroughbred stallions liberally in my breeding program, and I have about 5 on my short list of "must use someday". On the other hand, I could say the same thing about a GOOD arabian stallion.

For your mare, I would stick to a good arabian...but finding one producing offspring consistently out of mares similar to yours may be difficult. Not that they aren't out there, but I imagine they aren't as glamorously advertised as some of the more popular, pretty boys.
     
    12-12-2012, 10:37 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Joie    
If you want a REALLY nice colorful thoroughbred, consider Goldmaker:

Goldmaker - Avalon Equine

However, I am not sure what he has produced from mares like yours. You may want to ask Kathy. She is wonderful to deal with!!

Also, I have PERSONALLY seen and worked with SEVERAL Guaranteed Gold offspring, and the one thing I can definitely say is that he is consistent with reproducing certain traits. From what I have seen he definitely produces a nice hindquarter, and usually he improves a neck and head. Are you looking to produce a colorful, amateur-friendly horse that is trainable? You might like a GG foal. His owner may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to call her "crazy" on a public forum is a bit overboard, no? It's just in poor taste, whatever your personal opinion. I think that we should ALL manage to provide an opinion without resorting to name-calling. Just my $.02.

Off my soap box now. In all honesty, if you are going to look at thoroughbred stallions, you really want to consider one for the quality of their offspring, regardless of color, and consider ONLY those that are actually producing offspring that are having success doing what YOU want to do, out of mares similar in type and breeding to your own. They do exist, but maybe not so much in a colored package. Color should be the last consideration, especially with a maiden mare of somewhat "spotty" lineage. She looks like a nice mare, but you really don't know what might come through in her offspring, so you want to be VERY careful to find a stallion that really stamps his offspring with the type you want.

I really don't think there is much better than a GOOD thoroughbred stallion. I use nice thoroughbred stallions liberally in my breeding program, and I have about 5 on my short list of "must use someday". On the other hand, I could say the same thing about a GOOD arabian stallion.

For your mare, I would stick to a good arabian...but finding one producing offspring consistently out of mares similar to yours may be difficult. Not that they aren't out there, but I imagine they aren't as glamorously advertised as some of the more popular, pretty boys.
thank you! For all of this :)
     
    12-12-2012, 11:20 PM
  #27
Started
Our StallionsFleetwood Farms

Some more AQHA {in Alberta} You seem to like the different colors,so thought may interest you
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    12-12-2012, 11:39 PM
  #28
Weanling
I was [ this ] close to breeding to him last year actually! And he is still on my consideration list :)
     
    12-13-2012, 11:53 PM
  #29
Yearling
I also would pass up on GG.

The way a stallion owner behaves online speaks VOLUMES!!!

If she can't leave her drama out of threads pertaining to her stud, I wouldn't even look twice....that goes with ANY stallion owner lol


Avalon Equine is amazing when it comes to knowledge. I would breed to any stud she had (if I didn't have a fjord) lol
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    12-15-2012, 12:23 AM
  #30
Weanling
When it comes right down to it - it should be about the stallion, not the owner, regardless. I can't draw an opinion on the stallion owner as I do not know her, but I won't pass up a stud based purely on internet people's opinions of the owner.

That said, I have not made a decision yet.
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