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    05-29-2010, 11:10 AM
What do you think I'm gonna get?

My poor mare is a grulla (see avatar - though it's a really bad pic of her). Grulla = black dun if I'm not mistaken. She's definitely a dun - dorsal stripe, barring across the shoulders, zippers and all...

Son in law thought it would be kewt to let his bay paint stallion in with her.

Will baby be another bay paint or a grulla paint - or ???

I know I know - I'm really going to get a pita foal and a really mad son in law when he comes home one of these days to find his precious fugly stallion has been gelded!!!
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    05-29-2010, 03:57 PM
There are to many unknowns, but basically you have a 50% chance of a pinto. 50% chance the foal will be dun (red dun, bay dun, grulla, etc.). 75% chance it will be black bassed. There is a color calculator you can use for more accurate percentages, but there are ALOT of possibilities.

Someone would find themselves in a world of hurt if they bred my mare w/out my permission!
    05-30-2010, 01:57 PM
Green Broke
It's almost impossible to tell. If the stud is tobiano and homozygous for it, you'll be guaranteed a tobiano foal. If he's one of the many overo patterns, it's a 50% chance.

Likewise, we don't know if either of them are homozygous for black (if they are, guaranteed black based foal), or if either of them are carrying red (possibility for a red based foal).

It really is a tossup when you've never bred a pair before and not had them color tested when they're dabbling in bigger variations of color like your pair! The minute you get outside the basic solid base color to solid base color breedings, your percentages fly right out the window because you can't know about the zygosity of each gene they're carrying.

    05-30-2010, 02:51 PM
It really is a crap shoot at this point, I guess. The stallion is a bay tobiano, but has never been tested. He has three foals on the ground that I know of. All have been paints, but two have been sorrel paints and the third is a bay paint (son in law has that one - he bought the stallion, a mare and the colt at the same time.)

Mare has had three other foals from what I understand. Two were buckskin duns (how that happened, I have no idea) and one was a grulla, just like her. However, I don't know anything about the sire of those foals.

I don't think I'm going to spend the $$ to get her tested, because I'm not planning on breeding her again. She's just a grade mare and her conformation isn't too hot. She's not nearly as jugheaded as she appears in my avatar, but I don't think people should breed horses "just because."

Besides, I've worked too hard losing enough weight to finally ride again. I'm still going to have to wait a few more months before I can ride her, and I don't want to lose any more riding time than I have to. I'm no spring chicken!
    05-30-2010, 03:43 PM
Green Broke
Ok, that's a good start! What was the bay tobiano stud being bred to? Three foals on the ground is no indication of zygosity yet, but it definitely improves your chances of a pinto foal, especially if he was bred to solid mares.

The fact that your mare has thrown 3 duns now is a good indication you may also be looking at dun. It also tells us the stud isn't homozygous for black as he's sired chestnut foals. Your mare may very well be though - buckskin is nothing but a black horse with agouti and cream, so it means whatever you were breeding her to was carrying both the cream and agouti gene. It is impossible for your mare to throw a bay or buckskin foal without being bred to an agouti carrier (chestnuts can carry agouti).

So based on the past, your chances are looking good at either a black or bay dun tobiano foal, with a possibility for chestnut dun as well. Obviously those aren't the ONLY choices, but probably the most likely based on past history, or at least some variation of the two. You're likely to get at LEAST dun OR pinto, if not both.
    05-30-2010, 04:51 PM
Actually depending on what color your mare was bred to, she may be carrying cream.
    05-30-2010, 09:05 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by haviris    
Actually depending on what color your mare was bred to, she may be carrying cream.
She could be hiding smokey black, but that seems unlikely, she looks as classically black dun as they come. I can't help but wonder if the OP is mistaken and she actually produced two bay duns and not buckskins.
    05-30-2010, 09:11 PM
Green Broke
Bahahahaha, geld his stallion? I dare you!

And is it confirmed your mare is bred? Just curious ;).
    05-30-2010, 09:19 PM
I thought buckskin was a bay horse with a cream gene? As for the rest without knowing what the stud was previously bred to and what the mare was previously bred to it's near on impossible to tell what genes they have.

It may help if you know what color his/her parents were and the color of any siblings. At least it allows you to (somewhat) determine what genes the mare/stud could be carrying.
    05-30-2010, 11:39 PM
I was thinking that she could be masking cream. It can be so hard to spot under dun!

Will be interesting to see what pops out :]

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