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#1 ·
My mare is 20 years old. Has never been bred. She is boarded on a geldings/mares ONLY barn.

I went to a friend's place today to pick her up for a trail ride. Her stallion jumped 2 fences and broke into the stall where I was keeping her while I waited on my friend.

I got there as he dismounted....

*DRAMATIC MUSIC*

She wasn't even exhibiting signs of being in heat!? How did this happen? He had her pushed in a corner and my friend suggested he must have forced himself on her given the small space and my horse's demeanor (She is smaller and very very submissive.)

Afterwards, she was walking like she had to pee, tail up, legs out. Then I noticed her uh...."expel" fluid like mares do when in heat.

...is my mare knocked up!?
 
#6 ·
She isn't too old to have a baby, there are mares that are twenty or more when they have their first foal. It is a higher risk to both mare and foal, but it can and does happen. But, this is an unplanned breeding by a determined stallion and you probably don't want to risk your mare's health and life to be put in jeopardy so I would strongly suggest that you get a vet out to prevent an outcome from the "rape"
 
#17 ·
They should still be paying the abortion.... it may not be their fault the stallion got out and bred her but she did not concent to a breeding and has clearly stated that she wouldnt have bred her mare, the stallions owner should be taking responsibilty for the covering.
 
#18 ·
**UPDATE**

Don't know if this makes much of a difference, but apparently a neighbor saw and heard the commotion and noticed my mare was bucking out at him and trying to avoid him in the stall.

(They have no horse knowledge and didn't know what was going on so they didn't intervene.)

Does her not being very receptive to him make a difference?
 
#33 ·
It's possible she was just coming in or going out of heat, or she just didn't like him, or because she is 20 and a maiden just didn't like it. Being covered once there is a possibility that she is in foal, but with her age and being maiden chances are slim, but if you don't want this pregnancy the sooner you get the vet out the better.
 
#19 ·
OP, there's no need to be nasty. Just get the vet out, get the shot and have him / her look your mare over and everything should be fine.

EDIT because you guys are so quick.
If he mounted then, he mounted, regardless of whether she liked it or not. If you're not sure whether or not the deed was done, call the vet. Better to be safe than sorry.
 
#25 ·
Not that it's on topic at all- but that just goes to show that you should think before you speak (type) and keep snarky comments to yourself. I myself see no point in being blatantly rude to anybody, dyslexic or not, when all they're trying to do is help you. ANYWAY. I don't know if you saw previously because it jumped to the third page right as I edited my post- but it's better to be safe than sorry, whether your mare was incredibly receptive or not, I'd still have the vet out and get him to check her over and administer the shot.
 
#34 ·
Where I am from abortions arent bad, I agree with everyone though you need to take care of your mare now better to pay a 200 dollar vet bill than a 1000+ and risk losing your horse. and who knows the vet may say shes fine (not prego).. but just in case is a good idea...just saying.
 
#35 ·
It really should be a shared expense at the very least. The person who owned the stallion should have had him better contained. Where I come from this would be violation. With the other person being held accountable, your horse or another that got in the way of the
stallion could have gotten hurt.
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#37 ·
Myhorse, 20 isn't that old in the big scope of things. I have been around mares who were 28 and still happily producing foals. Due to their age, they were only bred on the third year, but they were fat, healthy and happy mothers. I suspect something more was going on with those three mares. 20 would simply be a minor issue as long as the horse is fit and healthy.

Now, being a maiden mare will create a bit more risk. Yes, she may have no problem carrying the foal, so I wouldn't count on her aborting by herself.

I would, personally, give her an abortion shot ASAP. The longer you wait, the less likely it will be appropriate.
 
#40 ·
Myhorse, 20 isn't that old in the big scope of things. I have been around mares who were 28 and still happily producing foals. Due to their age, they were only bred on the third year, but they were fat, healthy and happy mothers. I suspect something more was going on with those three mares. 20 would simply be a minor issue as long as the horse is fit and healthy.

Now, being a maiden mare will create a bit more risk. Yes, she may have no problem carrying the foal, so I wouldn't count on her aborting by herself.

I would, personally, give her an abortion shot ASAP. The longer you wait, the less likely it will be appropriate.
All 3 were maiden mares. 1 died at 6 months, the other 2 died during birth. Only one foal was saved the other 2 died.
 
#43 ·
And judging by the ;-) after her post, I certain took that it was in good fun. Lighten up AF. SOrry, but I do NOT find that at all rude, whereas I DID find the OP to be. Suspend me or delete my posts if you must. Silly.:?
 
#46 ·
I didn't want to shuffle through all 5 pages of the same over and over story. So I am sorry to anyone who may have said what I am going to say.

First off, even a submissive mare will fight a stallion. Secondly, especially a MAIDEN mare will fight a stallion. Lastly, a stallion would not mount unless a mare was in heat. (To my knowledge at least... and my experience with teasing mares with a stallion)

At the age of 20 it is not a horrible age for a mare to have a foal, but not practiced if the mare is a maiden. If you have the money and are willing to take the risks of loosing your mare if she turns out pregnant, it is up to you, not anyone on here. Though if I was you, the shot wasn't a lot, I would have her abort. I know it is cruel, but sometimes it is for the best. I've had two experiences with foaling. One, little mutt colt went perfect and smooth. Second, soon to be registered paint colt is now a thousand dollar baby after a plasma transfusion. You just never know what will happen. Plus, you know what they say "Nothing will kill a mutt."

I half-way find this story almost unbelieveable. Was it an actual "stall". Like the kind you latch behind you when you walk out? Found in a barn? How in the world did the stallion open the dang door? Did you happen to mean a pasture, because that would be a tad more believable.

Also about the age, if the mare is in good health then don't be scolding people about the age of a horse.
 
#47 ·
Lastly, a stallion would not mount unless a mare was in heat. (To my knowledge at least... and my experience with teasing mares
Not necessarily true...our University did a study a while back on that. In an arena they tied a gelding, mare in heat, mare not in heat, a stallion, and a steer to separate posts and then did trials with about 10 stallions I believe. The first stud to enter immediately ran to the other stallion and started fighting to the death. So they decided to sedate the tied stud. I believe it was something like 8 out of 10 horses mounted the stallion first. It seems they mount whatever has the least resistance. Lol
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#49 ·
Lots of overly dramatic responses and misinformation here. Sheesh. Sometimes the best answer is to keep quiet. If you aren't sure what you are talking about, it's good to be the only one who knows. ;)

OP, you need to wait AT LEAST 5 days after OVULATION for the "abortion shot" to be effective, because there needs to be a CL present in order for the drug to work. From day 5 to 35 a single dose of lutelyse is effective (you can do two micro doses and avoid all of the side effects, which can be VERY unpleasant). The mare should then cycle normally.

Give your vet a ring when she's available and speak with her about the incident. She will most likely be able to give you better information than folks on a internet forum, anyway.

BTW, lutelyse is cheap, at least in my neck of the woods.
 
#55 ·
I would absolutely be having your friend pay AT LEAST half. Legally it is her responsibility to keep her stallion contained wherever she is. Especially at her own home. from the sounds of it he was in standard double fencing? What's to stop him getting out of the property?

Perhaps politely broach this with her in case she gets in real trouble.
 
#56 ·
Excuse me if someone actually answered this correctly. I could only suffer through the first page of dramatics.

It takes a $2.50 dose of Lutalyse to bring a mare 'back' into heat. It CANNOT be given right away. You should wait 10 to 12 days after the breeding to give it. The Vets here will just draw up 2 cc of Lutalyse into a syringe and let you give it to the mare IM or SQ. They charge abut $10.00 or maybe $15.00 for the shot. They will also charge a 'farm call' if they have to go out and give it.

Oh! By the way -- it usually makes a mare breakout in a sweat and sometimes they quiver and look colicky. It is not a problem and is completely normal for a mare given any Prostiglandin product like Lutalyse.

This is not a reason to panic or get all dramatic. It is simply taken care of by bringing the mare back into heat.

Now, should you want to do something after a month or so, it is a lot more complicated, but early, it is cheap and simple to fix.
 
#57 ·
Update...

Text my vet...this is what was said:

"There are plenty of mares that have foals in their late teen & 20's, but it isn't their first foal. That is purely your decision, I personally wouldnt do it with my mare. Pregnancy can be determined 15-17 days after breeding. The shot can be given without an ultrasound. She needs to get it 5 days post ovulation and before 12 days, so mid week would be ideal. It's going to be $65 with the barn call."
 
#58 ·
Wow, the vet w used to make sure the one mare we had wasn't knocked up just gave her a shot period. No ultrasounds or anything like that. Then again, I refuse to use this vet unless absolutely last resort. Long story.
 
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