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        06-02-2009, 12:24 PM
      #1
    Showing
    What are the possibilities?

    Just so everyone knows first off, I have no intention of breeding them right now though I may want to some day. They are both still young; 4 and 7. But I started wondering (as horse people so often do when they have a stud running around) what color would a foal be if I bred a Belgian mare to a black Percheron stud?

    I have seen a couple pix of crosses and they were both kind of a bay with Pangare fading. Are there any other options? If you have one or have pix, please share.

    Thanks.
         
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        06-02-2009, 01:24 PM
      #2
    Started
    Assuming the belgian is chestnut, as that's what is predominant in belgians in the US...

    I BELIEVE Percherons, at least in the US, only come in black or grey? If that is not true, then chestnut is also a possibiliity....

    The belgian, being chestnut, can only pass on chestnut. The percheron, being homozygous black (again, that is dependent on if I'm wrong with my above statement), can only pass on black. Black is dominant to chestnut, so the foal WILL be black based.

    Belgians used to come in bay (and other colors) so the belgian may have agouti, which restricts the black color on a black horse, making it bay. It has no effect on chestnut horses, so the only way to tell is DNA testing or progeny. So there is a chance that those black based babies will be bay.

    To shorten that, the possible foal colors are black and bay.
         
        06-02-2009, 01:39 PM
      #3
    Showing
    Cool, thank you very much. :) And yes, all your assumptions are correct. He is homozygous black and she is chesnut with the pangare or mealy modifier.
         
        06-02-2009, 01:45 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CheyAut    
    I BELIEVE Percherons, at least in the US, only come in black or grey? If that is not true, then chestnut is also a possibiliity....
    Well, the preferred colors for Percherons are black and grey, but they can still appear in the standard colors of chestnut, brown and bay. So there isn't a guarantee he's homozygous for black unless he's been tested, but I agree that it's most likely since chestnuts and bays are SO rare. I've personally seen a few rare bays, but never a chestnut myself.


    So if he IS homozygous black, yes, black and bay are the only choices if the mare carries agouti. If he's not, chestnut is also a possibility.

    EDIT - Haha, ok, you beat me to it!
         
        06-02-2009, 09:39 PM
      #5
    Weanling
    I don't know much about the possibilities in Belgians-- any chance for the brown (at) gene?
         
        06-07-2009, 01:28 PM
      #6
    Yearling
    Here is my old horse Liberty.
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        06-10-2009, 01:05 PM
      #7
    Weanling
    According to the color calculator, (without any silver dilution) you would get either : Black or Bay (50/50) With heterozygous silver - you could get: Silver Dapple, Silver Bay, Black or Bay (25 - all the way around). Homozygous silver: Silver Dapple or Silver bay.... with the mealy, just add in a 50/50 of mealy with any of those combos..... lol. I love color calculators
         
        06-10-2009, 01:07 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    To clarify: that is to say IF the mare carries the silver gene. She doesn't SHOW it, but she may carry.
         
        06-11-2009, 03:12 AM
      #9
    Started
    Silver doesn't exist in belgians and percherons.
         
        06-11-2009, 12:54 PM
      #10
    Weanling
    Well, then there ya go. Black or bay ;) I'm a QH girl, so I'm not up on the variants of drafts.
         

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