What are the possible colors for a foal from finny bred to cougar?

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    11-26-2008, 04:54 PM
Cool What are the possible colors for a foal from finny bred to cougar?

Im stumped. What colors/coat patterns do you think they would make IF I bred them?
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    11-26-2008, 04:55 PM


    11-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Just wanted to say you have gorgeous horses, what breed? And sorry I can't be of any help.
    11-26-2008, 06:41 PM
Thank you, the top is a appaloosa stallion and my mare (at the bottem) is a POA I just love your POA colt!
    11-26-2008, 06:50 PM

I don't know too much about breeding for colors (YOU'RE HORSES ARE BEAUTIFUL by the way!!) but is your stallion or your mare homozygous for a certain color gene or do you know, I know Paints can be homozygous but I'm not sure about other breeds, but if other breeds can be homozygous then that can play an important role in determining what color your foal will be or what kind of coat pattern in Paints =]
    11-26-2008, 09:43 PM
Hmm well cougar was Tested but the owner never handed out the results. So any ideas on how to get them?
    11-26-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by charroit    
Hmm well cougar was Tested but the owner never handed out the results. So any ideas on how to get them?
Oh =] well I guess if he was tested....yay!! I guess I learned something new....that other breeds can be homozygous besides Paints!!! Lol.... Ummmm you could maybe ask the owner what the results were and get a copy of them from him/her or- I'm guessing a vet did the testing- you could find out what vet she used on him and somehow get the results from them...or if that doesn't work you could get him tested again by your vet....but yeah! All I know is that their foal's going to be gorgeous!!! I'm going to guess it'll be leopard, but I'm not sure what color, maybe black leopard, but that's definitely just one of my wild guesses =]
    11-27-2008, 01:50 AM
Im not sure if the test was for homozygous, but I do know he was tested for something :/ Im going to have to talk with the last owner...
    11-27-2008, 09:43 AM
I can't see the photos at work (most are blocked) so what color are they? What patterns?

A horse can be homozygous for just about any colors.

A black horse can be homozygous black (EE) or heterozygous (Ee). If the former, he can ONLY produced black BASED horses. If the latter, he can also sire red BASED horses.

Chestnut is always homozygous for the recessive, ee. Chestnut to chestnut can ONLY produce chestnut.

Bay is caused by agouti acting on black. A horse homozygous for agouti (AA), regardless of being black or red based, can never produce a black horse, as any blacks would end up being bays. Chestnut is not effected by agouti, but they certainly can have it... I have a chestnut mare who is homozygous for agouti (tested) so she can never have a black baby.

Then some other genes that act upon those:

Cream. Crcr, one copy, makes chestnuts into palominos, bays into buckskins, and blacks into smokey blacks (which almost always look just black). Two copies (CrCr) turns chestnuts into cremellos, bays into perlinos, and blacks into smokey creams. Those three can be hard to tell which is which without testing.

Silver is Z. ZZ and Zn dont' look different. It only acts on black, so a chestnut wtih silver looks like a chestnut without.

Champagne is CH. I don't know all the different champagne terms, sorry ;) But it does act on all colors.

I'm not too good with pearl, either... but one copy doesn't make a difference. But if there are two copies, or one with a cream gene, the color changes.

Dun is Dn. Can be hetero or homozygous. On bay: dun, aka zebra dun. On chestnut: red dun. On black: grullo. A horse can be buckskin AND dun, and sometimes is called dunskin. Or palo and dun: dunalino. Ect.

Grey can affect ANY color. One copy is Gg, two is GG. If a horse gets G, it will grey out, period. Often, the lighter colors will darken as they start to turn grey.

There are four pinto genes. Tobiano, frame, sabino, and splash. Frame can NOT be homozygous... those horses die within a day or so of birth. THe others can come in homozygous. There is a test for tobi and frame, and ONE version of sabino: there are SEVERAL different sabino genes!

Appaloosas have more than one gene, too. The main gene is the leopard complex (which does NOT mean a leopard horse) which is Lp. One copy and the horse is an appy. Two and it's homozygous appy. If a horse has only Lp, not the other appy genes, it will be a varnish aka appy roan. Mottling, sclera, striped hooves, and will, over time, get roaning.
The other genes are the PATN genes. This is what creates blankets and leopards. If a horse gets a PATN but NOT Lp, it will be a solid colored horse. If it gets ONE Lp and PATN, it will have spots (spotted blanket, leopard, ect). If a horse gets TWO Lps and PATN, it will be a few spot, snow cap, or few cap.
This si why it's trickier to breed for appies: it takes TWO genes!

That's horse color in a nutshell... and it's very possible I've left something out on accident ;)

PS you can test for most colors. I use this lab: Horse Testing - Equine Genetic Testing most tests are $25.

PS I have a mare is is Ee Aa Crn Zn Dn+ she is a silver buckskin dun, and can produce just about any color! :) (she had a chestnut foal this year (her first foal) haha!)
    11-27-2008, 10:14 AM
I don't it covers all the known genes, but the Color Calculator is fun to play with.

...and, BTW, your horses are indeed beautiful.

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