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    08-05-2011, 10:04 AM
  #11
Weanling
Check out Guaranteed Gold as well at:

Guaranteed Gold

He evented to Training Level himself and is producing some nice youngsters that are starting their eventing careers now

Is your mare a TB mare and are you looking to stay TB or go with a WB cross instead? Tzigane is another one that I'd recommend - a lovely Trakehner stallion that is eventing at the Advanced level right now
     
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    08-05-2011, 10:24 AM
  #12
Showing
No offense, TC, but doing Training level isn't something I would look for in an Eventing sire. I personally would want a stallion proven at CCI starred events - I'm not sure why you would suggest a stallion that's only done Training level, when there are many stallions better suited for the OP's needs.
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    08-05-2011, 10:57 AM
  #13
Weanling
Well lets see now ... out of the stallions mentioned, which of them have evented up to that level? Certainly not Fine Romance, Sir Wanabi or Noble Houston

And also has been mentioned on many threads on many forums, ability in the show ring themselves does not 100% translate into passing that ability on to offspring so the trick is finding the stallion that has competed up to the highest levels that is capable of passing that same ability and desire to their offspring

Take Hickstead and Totilas for example. Will their offspring be talented enough to warrant the high stud fees charged to breed to them? Who knows - we are YEARS away from finding out. Their bloodlines *suggest* that their offspring *should* inherit the same traits, but there are many that feel that Hickstead is a complete and total freak of nature and he will never be able to pass on the same traits that made him such a superstar. Briar was touted as "the" dressage sire of the century - how many of HIS offspring are competing at the same level as Briar with the same results?

Other stallions ARE capable of producing credible offspring, but only when bred to a mare who competed at the highest levels herself. So - if you take a stallion who competed up to only Training Level eventing and in the Working Hunter ring and bred him to a mare that was successful at the Intermediate and Advanced eventing levels and you produced a talented offspring - is that the stallion's genetics coming through or the dam's???

Lots of things to think about for sure

Denny Emerson has some fabulous stallions in his roster and Salute the Truth appears to have the credentials for sure in the performance category as well as producing credible offspring as well

Good luck in your search!
     
    08-05-2011, 11:04 AM
  #14
Showing
If you are looking to breed for a certain trait, wouldn't you breed to the best stallion you can for that trait? If I were looking for a Hunter sire, would I not go for a stallion that has proven himself in the ring, to give myself the best chance to have a foal who will succeed? Why would I breed to a relative no-name when I could breed to Redwine? Why would I chance it on a stallion that hasn't done it himself? Kind of like breeding to a dressage stallion that's only done First level.
Anyways, I don't want to hijack this thread, just surprised by the suggestion.
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    08-05-2011, 11:23 AM
  #15
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Why would I breed to a relative no-name when I could breed to Redwine?
This is where your logic escapes me ...

I LIKE Redwine. I bred to him myself but he sure hasnt competed up to the "top levels". He won at the 3' level and I believe showed a class or two or a division at 3'6" and that was it. So - to use him in your analogy of breeding to stallions ONLY that have competed up to the "top levels" in that discipline makes no sense at all!

And then going back to what I alluded to - success at the top levels does not mean that stallion is going to pass those same traits on. Not at all!

Take a superstar mare like Rox Dene. *THE* best hunter on the planet for many years running. She was bred to THE best hunter stallions on the planet and her offspring have done "okay" but nowhere close to the same level of success she enjoyed, even with the best trainers and riders that money could buy. Those offspring had EVERY SINGLE CHANCE to be the BEST next generation hunters and they fell short. Why??? You tell me because no one else can figure out what made her so superb and bred to equally excellent stallions, they couldnt come close to replicating her success

Yes - in breeding you do very much breed "the best to the best" but in some cases its the intangible elements that makes one offspring jaw droppingly fabulous and the other one out of and by more "fashionable" parents simply "okay"

Makes breeding decisions very interesting for sure!
     
    08-05-2011, 11:23 AM
  #16
Foal
A Fine Romance's ability to sire upper level offspring is proven time and again - bred to a wide variety of mares.

In fact the dams of his upper level event offspring were ALL OTTB mares NONE of whom even saw a show ring.


TC perhaps you could tell us how old the oldest crop of Garanteed Gold offspring are, and what levels they are competing at, in any discipline?
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    08-05-2011, 11:40 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by TamarackLane    


TC perhaps you could tell us how old the oldest crop of Garanteed Gold offspring are, and what levels they are competing at, in any discipline?
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    08-05-2011, 11:54 AM
  #18
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I LOVE A Fine Romance babies! So classy and versatile!
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    08-05-2011, 12:28 PM
  #19
Foal
Lol oh my... xD well, breeding is sort of a chance thing, you never know what you get O_O did any of you guys look at the stallions I suggested in my first post? Lol I did want opinions xP btw TC Garunteed Gold is beautiful! I'm sure he has great offspring. And should I post *better* pictures of my mare??? To see who would compliment her best? >.< i'm learning very much about breeding and don't want to sound like a dummy ;/
     
    08-05-2011, 12:43 PM
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