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    03-16-2011, 09:07 PM
  #1
Yearling
What would this match bring?

I have never really paid much attention to conformation in horses and such but I'm currently thinking about breeding my mare for a 2012 foal. I've heard everyones complaints on breeding grade mares and all, I understand that but I do not believe they have a reason to knock on grade horses, they can be just as great as registered.

I have no plan on selling the foal for as I wish to keep my mare's bloodlines around, even if they slowly grow better then before. She is part QH and that is all we know. She is a sweet girl, she can have an attitude but it straightens up. Good characteristics is what I love about her, she minds well and knows her place when she is around younger kids.

Though she did have a foal before and to my dismay my father kept complaining about how much a colt was going to cost so he made me sell him. Now, two years later I do have a steady job and he seems more willing about it, plus we only have one horse now when before we had four plus when he was born.

Here is a few pictures of her, the best I have are when she had her foal.. She never seemed photogenic without the little guy:

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This is the foal she threw two years back, his sire was a registered QH, his grandfather was actually well known in my state.

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Here is the stallion I am thinking about breeding her to for this year and the final time.

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All rights go to his owner for those two pictures, they are not mine and neither is the horse.

What I am asking is if everything goes right in the pregnancy and such, what will the horse possibly lack? Also what does my mare lack and what can the stallion possibly give?

Please no rude comments, there is a reason I searched for this kind of site, I was annoyed of the comments and opinions of the one I previously owned. Opinions are welcomed, just keep them nice. :)
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    03-16-2011, 09:21 PM
  #2
Foal
I'm not going to comment on your mare, as I can't tell much from her photos, but the stallion you're considering breeding too looks very long in the back. Also, as many people have pointed out in previous posts about breeding grade horses--what are you going to do if something happens to you? Grade horses have no papers, so they can get passed around pretty easily...I'm sure other people can comment more on this. I would just worry that my "baby" that I had would end up in a bad living situation...I know this can happen to any horse, but I have a feeling that grade horses might suffer more.
     
    03-16-2011, 09:32 PM
  #3
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Dream    
I'm not going to comment on your mare, as I can't tell much from her photos, but the stallion you're considering breeding too looks very long in the back. Also, as many people have pointed out in previous posts about breeding grade horses--what are you going to do if something happens to you? Grade horses have no papers, so they can get passed around pretty easily...I'm sure other people can comment more on this. I would just worry that my "baby" that I had would end up in a bad living situation...I know this can happen to any horse, but I have a feeling that grade horses might suffer more.
Well currently I'm only 17, I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon except a move to Texas with my friend who has a way better living place for horses. Like you can probably tell my area is rather dirty with my dad's work thrown every which way, currently I'm busy during my spring break to clean it up before my mare and her pasture mate leave for a month to get started on it all. If the foal turns out colored I can register him in APHA or others that take one sided colored foals. I really hope nothing happens and to the fact I can keep the foal for a long while. I've had my mare for 10 years and I don't see her going anywhere anytime soon. I would give up every other animal I have before I got rid of her.
     
    03-16-2011, 09:36 PM
  #4
Foal
I thought I was reading somewhere that the mare has to be registered to have the foal be registerable in the AQHA, APHA, etc...?
     
    03-16-2011, 09:40 PM
  #5
Trained
The mare has to be either registered AQHA, TB or APHA in order for the foal to be registered with the APHA, and this is assuming the sire is registered APHA. The only possible place to register would be a color registry such as PtHA and that is only if the foal came out colored.
     
    03-16-2011, 09:44 PM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Dream    
I thought I was reading somewhere that the mare has to be registered to have the foal be registerable in the AQHA, APHA, etc...?

Your right, APHA is a paint registry. The mare or stallion has to be registered APHA. You would have better luck registering Pinto, but im not sure their guide lines for that.

Sounds like to me you just want to breed because you have a mare. Which is a sure sign that you should not breed. Go buy an unwanted foal and give it a home, there are plenty of them out there. The world doesnt need any more foals, especially grade foals.
     
    03-16-2011, 09:45 PM
  #7
Showing
At 17, you really have no clue where you'll be in 5 years, or 10. You cannot say that you will keep this foal forever, as there is a very good chance that you will not. Life gets in the way.
Your mare is cute, but nothing about her screams "breed me." Her conformation is just average, there is nothing about her that screams "I'll be good at X." She might be a nice all around horse, but I doubt she would excel in any one discipline. I am not knocking her, all arounders have their place, but why breed her? She's average, and there are lots and lots of foals out there that are out of average parents. The mare is long-bodied, and seems to have (comparatively) short legs. Steep shoulder, weak hind end.
The stallion would make a cute gelding. He's very long-bodied, and his legs are disproportionately short. His shoulder is steep, and he has weak pasterns. It is ideal for a horse's shoulder to match its pastern angles, and this horse's angles don't come close to matching. He is downhill, and has comparatively short cannons to the rest of his leg.

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I wish to keep my mare's bloodlines around
You said that you have no idea what her bloodlines are, and that she's grade; thus your goal might be to have a foal out of your mare, but you are not breeding to perpetuate her lines as you don't know what they are.
     
    03-16-2011, 09:45 PM
  #8
Trained
Just a question: Why do you plan on breeding her again if your dad made you sell the first foal because it was too expensive?
     
    03-16-2011, 09:57 PM
  #9
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
Just a question: Why do you plan on breeding her again if your dad made you sell the first foal because it was too expensive?
The first time I didn't have a job, now I do.

For a few other comments, its not because I have a mare, I've had another mare before her that I wouldn't breed even if I had the chance to. I want to breed my mare because she is a bit older and I rather be able to keep a foal out of her. I know she isn't the best horse out there with this amazing comformation but she is the first horse I ever owned and I love her to death. The stallion is homozygotes for color and is a registered paint.

Though I appreciate you guys putting your opinions out in a tiny bit nicer way then I'm use to.
     
    03-16-2011, 10:06 PM
  #10
Showing
Registered doesn't mean quality. That stallion (in my homble opinion) shouldn't be a stallion - his conformation really leaves a lot to be desired. I'm guessing he doesn't have a performance record?
Your mare is cute. She's not something I would breed. She might have a nice temperment, and you may love her to death, but there is no guarantee that the foal will have either of these attributes. Also, there are risks with breeding - you could lose the mare, foal, or both, or they could be injured. The foal could have defects. There are so many "what ifs" and for what? An unregistered foal out of a mare you like?
I hate to say it, but I doubt you're going to be where you think you might in even 5 years. Why bring an unregistered foal out of average-at-best stock when there is a very very good chance you will not be able to provide it with a forever home? I'd object less if you were 10 years older and financially stable, but even then I'd have objections.
A lot of people want to breed their first mares, or the mare that they love - but it doesn't mean they necessarily should.
Perhaps you could consider buying/adopting a foal? Then you'd have the chance to bring up a foal without the cost or worry of breeding, and you could get exactly what you want.
     

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