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  • Dual APHA AQHA registration eligibility
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    03-27-2012, 04:29 AM
A horse who has an APHA registered parent is not eligible for AQHA papers at all. The only way for a horse to be eligible for AQHA papers is for it to have two registered AQHA parents, or one AQHA parent, one Jockey Club parent, so don't count on the foal being able to be registered AQHA, sounds like it won't happen.
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    03-27-2012, 07:28 AM
Not true on the APHA not being eligible for AQHA papers. There are horses out there that are still in the process of being back registered with the AQHA. APHA horses are ONLY eligible to receive AQHA papers if all the horses on the APHA side were basically crop out AQHA horses. Anything with any kind of Tobiano or unknown/never would have had AQHA papers in the first place are not eligible to get back registered AQHA papers. It is not cheap and is a major headache. This though, is the reason there are dual registered AQHA/APHA horses out there.

MC Zippos Ratchett.

MC Zippos Ratchett

His breeding does consist of nothing but AQHA or cropout AQHA/their offspring. Mc Zippos Ratchett Paint

Is he eligible for AQHA papers? Probably. Is it likely he can get them? Lets just say I am not going to hold my breath. It would take a tremendous amount of work, money and time, as well as be a massive headache.
    03-27-2012, 09:54 AM
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^^^ I didn't know that, I was thinking the same as trainerunlimited.
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    03-27-2012, 10:19 AM
The only thing the stud lacks is his dam being registered with AQHA. Otherwise his dam's parents are AQHA registered. If paint horse has his dam's dna would that help significally?
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    03-27-2012, 10:32 AM
I can't find anything publicly online that Rachett (MC Zippos Ractchett's dam sire) is/was ever dual registered as he is showing as only registered with the APHA. Maybe someone with AQHA database access can check if he is or not.

In order for the MC Zippos Ratchett to be AQHA papered every horse with APHA papers back to where they cropped out has to be registered with the AQHA. That means new breeding reports, new owner transfer for every single owner, etc, etc. And someone has to pay for all of these transfers and reports that are filed as well as DNA on everyone. Some of the people that had these older horses are no longer alive, further complicating matters. See where this turns into a giant migraine?
    03-27-2012, 11:01 AM
His dam just needs to be registered AQHA since her parents are AQHA registered as well. Well the only dna is see nessary to get his dam registered is the dam's parents which you would figure would be on file with APHA and AQHA. Then once that is all done, it just needs to be his dam's dna if she has it on file or is still alive, I'm not sure.
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    03-27-2012, 11:12 AM
Are you 110% sure that Ratchett (dam sire) is registered AQHA? Like I said, I can't find anything online saying anything other than he, his sire, his sire's dam, and his sire's dam's sire are all APHA registered.

And the same things still apply for the dam. She needs to have back filled breeding reports, DNA, owner transfers, etc. BUT she can't have any of that done until all the horses before her are done (sire, etc.)

Just so we're on the same page this is horse you keep saying has a dam that is APHA but has two AQHA registered parents? Mc Zippos Ratchett Paint
    03-27-2012, 11:36 AM
Ii just looked up ratchett last night. He was on there (AQHA)
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    03-27-2012, 11:39 AM
Yeah that's him. I went on aqha and all the paints were on there registered with aqha.
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    03-27-2012, 12:19 PM
I have more than enough time spent on the APHA/AQHA issue, believe me it is *difficult* to get these things done (I've been working on it for almost 2 years). "Ratchett" is dual registered

HORSE OWNERSHIP SUMMARY 2012, AQHA. All Rights Reserved.

Which matches his APHA listing

Now, getting "Rach a Tat Tat" registered so that MC Zippos Ratchett can be AQHA registered is no easy task in itself. AQHA would likely require DNA, which they can't get from APHA because she is listed as NOT genetic typed.

But I don't think any of that should even be your responsibility, really, the owners of the stud should be working on it. Unless they already have and found it to be impossible. However, you should note AQHA rule 206 allows a form of hardship registration (as breeding stock only) for horses they deem "outstanding by performance or produce" Plus 2012 changes to rule 205 regarding the amount of white might help too.

I wouldn't let all of this deter me from buying the right horse though.
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