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    07-30-2013, 03:37 PM
It's not a personal thing at all...ultrasounding is the responsible thing to do..what if something was wrong, you would never know until the foal was either dead or complications at birth happened.
We can agree to disagree. :)

I still think it's more of a personal preference. I know several people who have bred mares and never ultrasounded and everything was fine.

Typical 'having a foal on the cheap' attitude, y'all. Best to just let her learn from experience.

Unfortunately, it's the mare and any potential foal who will suffer from lack of proper medical care, but I guess it's okay as long as the OP gets what SHE wants.
I am giving proper medical care. The mare is up to date of vaccinations and coggins and she's on proper feed with proper supplements. She gets round the clock access to salt and water and grass and gets hay all winter, etc.. and I will personally be giving her any and all vaccinations she needs throughout the pregnancy. The only thing I'm not planning on doing is an ultrasound, because I just don't see it as a major need. The stallion I'm breeding her to has never thrown twins, and the chances of twins is so rare that it's just too unlikely.

I also plan on being there when she gives birth, if possible (even if I have to take off work and stay up several nights in a row), and will have the vets number right by the telephone if something happens. She will also give birth in the pasture behind the house, as by that time it will be finished and will be her permanent pasture.

Though, if she doesn't take this time, I highly doubt I'll try for a third time.
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    07-30-2013, 03:38 PM
Let me guess, you weren't planning on giving any of the recommended pregnant mare vaccines were you?
Both my horses are UTD on vaccines, thank you.
    07-30-2013, 03:46 PM
Only reason people think twinning is rare is because the mare will abort, and or die during complications during birth. It IS cheap and irresponsible to not take an hour out of your day to have the vet out to check them.
    07-30-2013, 03:48 PM
Green Broke
.... You do know that twins is not only genetic? Odds are the egg won't split (genetic) but she will release two eggs (not genetic) if she is going to have twins. You cannot rely on history.
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    07-30-2013, 03:51 PM
It is beyond me as to why one would avoid doing a non invasive procedure to ensure both the mare's and foal's health. I could understand not doing an invasive or risky procedure, but there's literally no "con" here other than cost.
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    07-30-2013, 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Britt    
Both my horses are UTD on vaccines, thank you.
I think they meant the specific vaccinations for pregnant mares. :)
I mean obviously no one can make you do an ultrasound..I just feel like it is something that should be done just incase because I love my mare to much not to do everything I can to prevent a mishap. But as far as your actual question I honestly don't know, but I think mares can have a false "in heat" but I've never bred and don't plan on it for a long time since I don't have all the funds for breeding at the moment...
But goodluck!
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    07-30-2013, 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
It is beyond me as to why one would avoid doing a non invasive procedure to ensure both the mare's and foal's health. I could understand not doing an invasive or risky procedure, but there's literally no "con" here other than cost.
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I wouldn't personally even consider that a "con"...it's not like an ultrasound is thousands of dollars and to me my mare is very much worth more than an ultrasound costs...but to each their own!
    07-30-2013, 04:02 PM
I guess I'm wondering now who's telling you you don't need an ultrasound. Is it your elderly neighbor who forgot which stud you really wanted her bred too? I'm wondering how many foals he's lost over the years.

Is it possible your mare has a UTI, or some other issue that a VET could rule out? I don't understand why you wont talk to a vet, they're the go too guy for questions like this :)
    07-30-2013, 04:08 PM
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The stallion I'm breeding her to has never thrown twins, and the chances of twins is so rare that it's just too unlikely.
gah. I hate this mentality, which is still unfortunately so prevalent. Read up on how twins are produced. An identical twin is a fertilized egg that divides. Non identical twins are caused by multiple eggs being fertilized and growing. While some mares may be more prone to releasing multiple eggs than others, you don't even have enough info on your mare to know that. How many foals has she had? If just one, how do you know if she is likely to produce twins?? If you open your eyes you will realize that 99.9% of responsible breeders will preg check their mares, its a relatively in expensive way to insure you don't have twins or a poorly formed embryo, which can develop into a foal with severe defects, or most likely in both cases, a mid to late term abortion or still birth.

Have you ever seen a birth of this sort? Would it bother you to have two still born foals after waiting for 11 months?

If you concider getting her her shots an appropriate precaution, why on earth would you not do the US???
    07-30-2013, 04:38 PM
My horse Roxy was a twin. The breeder was very lucky that both mare and foals lived. He did have an ultrasound to check for twins, the vet missed the twin somehow. Jo ended up giving birth to Roxy and Rocky. He now has two different vets do ultrasounds so nothing is missed, as well as ultrasounds throughout the pregnancy. That same mare tried to have twins 2 more times, but it was prevented and the mare became a riding horse again instead of a broodmare. It is more common than you think.It is not worth the life of a mare and foal.
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