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post #21 of 43 Old 07-30-2013, 04:13 PM
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Britt you only have one mare and if what I am reading from your other post you have limited income.
Getting that mare and stallion check for any infections that can prevent the mare from carrying a foal is very very necessary.
For the life of me I cannot understand why a stallion owner would not require you to bring a clean bill of health before breeding.
If I were you I would Ultrasound that mare. Not only for twins but to see if the breeding took and if so then the problem lies with the mare. The vet can then determine diagnosis the problem.
You have been given very good advice and with your limited knowledge and funds IMO it would be wise to heed the suggestions people are giving you.
If you truly want a healthy foal you need to take all the precautions.
Brit I have 32 horses. If I loose a mare or a foal it is not going to be very traumatic for me. Emotionally or financially My breeding program will recover. If you lost your mare and/or foal think about how you would feel.
Listen to the other members Britt. That is the intelligent thing to do. Shalom
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post #22 of 43 Old 07-30-2013, 04:38 PM
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Listen to DB he gives great advice. So have many others on this thread. It was pointed out you know nothing of your mares genetic predisposition to throw twins with only one foal out of her. Depending on her breed and whether she has been passed that trait by her parents is any body's guess. The stallion has nothing to do with it. Even if he he was known to produce fillies that had a high percentage of twining that would not effect this breeding but it would effect any mare foal born if she inherited that trait.
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I have two mares that cycle like hussys but wont catch anymore. Getting an older mare in foal that hasn't had a baby in years is going to be tough. You could try hormones if your vet thinks that would help.

Anyway, I needed a reminder to call my vet back from this morning to schedule my mare in for an ultrasound next week - Hopefully she is 14 days pregnant!

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I think they meant the specific vaccinations for pregnant mares. :)
I know, lol. I have a chart from TSC that lists the specific vaccinations a pregnant mare needs, a riding horse needs, a broodmare needs, a stallion needs, and young horses need and it tells when they need them (what times of year). I use it to keep my horses vaccinations straight and up to date. :)
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Britt you only have one mare and if what I am reading from your other post you have limited income. Getting that mare and stallion check for any infections that can prevent the mare from carrying a foal is very very necessary. For the life of me I cannot understand why a stallion owner would not require you to bring a clean bill of health before breeding. If I were you I would Ultrasound that mare. Not only for twins but to see if the breeding took and if so then the problem lies with the mare. The vet can then determine diagnosis the problem. You have been given very good advice and with your limited knowledge and funds IMO it would be wise to heed the suggestions people are giving you. If you truly want a healthy foal you need to take all the precautions. Brit I have 32 horses. If I loose a mare or a foal it is not going to be very traumatic for me. Emotionally or financially My breeding program will recover. If you lost your mare and/or foal think about how you would feel. Listen to the other members Britt. That is the intelligent thing to do. Shalom
I do appreciate and take your advice. In fact, I think you're probably one of the most knowledgeable persons on this forum, but I also have my own opinions and I know what has worked for people in the past around here. I had never heard of ultrasounding a mare in foal before joining this site, and I didn't really see much of a point to it back then and still really don't because such problems are so rare. That's one thing my mind cannot be changed on. I've seen too many mares go through their pregnancies without a hitch with no ultrasound done to think it's truly 'that' much of an issue. I see it more as something more of a security issue with the breeder/mare owner. And to whoever asked about how many horses my neighbor has lost during his lifetime of breeding, the answer to that is pretty simple. He's lost horses to old age/natural causes, obviously, and he lost one youngster when he was leading him along the side of the road and the horse spooked at a passing trailer and reared up and fell into the trailer and broke it's leg... but he's never lost any of his horses to breeding/pregnancies/foaling.

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Your argument that you know several people who bred heathy foals without ultrasounds or vet care, so you don't need to bother doesn't hold up to inspection.

Millions of women have pushed out human babies with no prenatal care or a doctor present, in unsanitary conditions. Doesn't make it a good idea when care is available, and inexpensively.

It takes 9 months for us to create a human, 11 for a mare to make a foal. Its a huge investment. Doesn't it sound smart to protect your investment?

Then again, its your horse on the line, not mine. You do what you want....I think Id rather be on the safe side of the advice given here...
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I know, lol. I have a chart from TSC that lists the specific vaccinations a pregnant mare needs, a riding horse needs, a broodmare needs, a stallion needs, and young horses need and it tells when they need them (what times of year). I use it to keep my horses vaccinations straight and up to date. :) I do appreciate and take your advice. In fact, I think you're probably one of the most knowledgeable persons on this forum, but I also have my own opinions and I know what has worked for people in the past around here. I had never heard of ultrasounding a mare in foal before joining this site, and I didn't really see much of a point to it back then and still really don't because such problems are so rare. That's one thing my mind cannot be changed on. I've seen too many mares go through their pregnancies without a hitch with no ultrasound done to think it's truly 'that' much of an issue. I see it more as something more of a security issue with the breeder/mare owner. And to whoever asked about how many horses my neighbor has lost during his lifetime of breeding, the answer to that is pretty simple. He's lost horses to old age/natural causes, obviously, and he lost one youngster when he was leading him along the side of the road and the horse spooked at a passing trailer and reared up and fell into the trailer and broke it's leg... but he's never lost any of his horses to breeding/pregnancies/foaling.
Well then. TSC is your best bet for all your pregnant mare needs. Why are you here asking us?
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Well then. TSC is your best bet for all your pregnant made needs. Why are you here asking us?
No need to get all snarky. All I said was that I have a vaccination chart from TSC and that I use it to do my vaccinations by. Having the chart makes it a lot easier to just look at it and know what my horses need.

I also have a rotational worming chart from TSC that I use to figure out which wormer to use on my horses and what time of year.

Geeze...some people...


And, just for the record, I wasn't asking about ultrasounding or anything of the like. If fact, my question was this: is there an age where older mares aren't fertile anymore?

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And once again the only one who can tell you if your mare is fertile or not is a vet.
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And like every smart person in this thread has told you.... ASK A VET. You know, a real medical professional....not some generic half-arsed chart from TSC.

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curious...

When she stops cycling, could be due to age...not cause she is pregnant, are you going to put all that extra supplements/vaccines/feed into her because she hasnt shown a heat cycle? Therefore, she must be pregnant. Right?

So then 11, 12, 14, 16 months from now, you will be back asking why your mare is overdue for her foal and grossly obese due to extra food, and no baby.

When all of that could have been prevented by a simple 75 dollar maximum vet visit to ultrasound her and see if she did infact conceive?

...sigh...

This is why backyard breeders get a bad reputation. Because they do not do the responsible thing and a-not breed and b-get the proper vet care before, during and after breeding.

I have bred 1 foal, im not experienced, but I did every single thing I could and spent hundreds of dollars and thousands of hours of effort to get my foal on the ground and ensure my mare was safe and healthy from before she was ever introduced to the stallion.

Like what was stated in a previous thread of yours, with the same subject of breeding your mare, I wonder if you thrive on the attention/drama that your threads create.

I personally know a lady that I was related to through marriage that lost numerous foals and mares due to irresponsible breeding and improper vet care. Its not pretty. And very easily avoidable.
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