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post #21 of 262 Old 08-10-2011, 10:56 PM
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I don't believe in indiscriminately breeding horse whether they are grade or papered. I feel only proven horses that have shown they are exceptional at their discipline and have excellent conformation should be bred.
However, if everyone who bred held to those standards then none of my horses would have been born. That being said, obviously there is a market(although not a large one) for not so great mutt horses with less than flawless conformation since I own 2 and my sister has 4 .

So in lies the madness, the pursuit of the impossible in the face of the complete assurance that you will fail, and yet still you chase.
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post #22 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 12:49 AM
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IMO, like i said in another thread, a person needs to do their research before breeding a horse, whether grade or not. mutts can do just as well, if not better, than purebreds. i understand the prejudice against grade horses, i simply don't completely agree with it.

anyway, if a person looks down both roads and sees if there are any horses for sale that are up to their criteria (a horse that is probably young/can be trained for what they want/the breed they want) and comes up with nothing, i don't see why they shouldn't breed their horse. again, conformation and such are important so they throw a good horse and not one that can't do anything other than bum around a farm. if all of that is true, then i see that it's fine, whether the horse being bred is grade or if the foal will be a mutt (grade or registered).

it's all up to being responsible, which doesn't always happen (in a lot of cases it doesn't), but i believe the only way to prevent irresponsible breeding is to EDUCATE those thinking about breeding. Tell them what's involved, show them the FACTS of breeding their horse and give them all the tools that they need to breed their horse. Be honest and show them exactly WHY the horse they have might not be good for breeding and tell them about ALL of their options, including going through the market to find a horse that's close to what they're looking for. i agree being blunt is sometimes necessary, but to be so blunt and in their face right away will do nothing but turn potential breeders off, make them shy away from doing research or asking questions and possibly breed irresponsibly.

if a person does not listen to reason and refuses to see the facts about breeding, that is the time to be blunt. otherwise, try to be a guiding hand and show them to all the information they need. if we do that we can prevent unnecessary breeding, lead the person to buying a new horse, or allow them to breed a good horse safely. it may not stop pointless breeding of horses, but we can at least do something more than tell all of those thinking of breeding their horses that they're wrong. //rant over.

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post #23 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 01:42 AM Thread Starter
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I do remember someone posting her grown baby on this forum (don't remember who was that though). The mare was grade, BUT with nice confo and disposition. The owner found a stud to compliment the mare. The outcome (bred for eventing and with the full intention of the owner to keep her) while being grade was absolutely lovely looking horse. So it's not so much about lines or show record, but about the owner being 1) responsible and 2) doing his/her homework and knowing what he/she is doing when it comes to breeding. With that being said it was more of an exception from what I could see.

See, i'm not saying your horse has to have perfect lines, i guess what i meant by that is well tempered parents, and if you know grandparents. I dont have a probly with mutt horses, i've loved many mutt horses. But dont breed mutt horses with bad confo, its just going to continue the vicious cycle of "bum" horses...
If you want to breed, go for it. but like you said " 1) responsible and 2) doing his/her homework and knowing what he/she is doing when it comes to breeding." not these people that breed and then they start to ask questions. Im not pointing out just on here, but just people i've met or seen at barns through out my time in barns.
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post #24 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 01:43 AM Thread Starter
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I don't believe in indiscriminately breeding horse whether they are grade or papered. I feel only proven horses that have shown they are exceptional at their discipline and have excellent conformation should be bred.
However, if everyone who bred held to those standards then none of my horses would have been born. That being said, obviously there is a market(although not a large one) for not so great mutt horses with less than flawless conformation since I own 2 and my sister has 4 .

I'm not saying mutt horses are bad... im saying mutt horses that will never be sound, or are more likely to have soundness issues is just sad.
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post #25 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 01:46 AM Thread Starter
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IMO, like i said in another thread, a person needs to do their research before breeding a horse, whether grade or not. mutts can do just as well, if not better, than purebreds. i understand the prejudice against grade horses, i simply don't completely agree with it.

anyway, if a person looks down both roads and sees if there are any horses for sale that are up to their criteria (a horse that is probably young/can be trained for what they want/the breed they want) and comes up with nothing, i don't see why they shouldn't breed their horse. again, conformation and such are important so they throw a good horse and not one that can't do anything other than bum around a farm. if all of that is true, then i see that it's fine, whether the horse being bred is grade or if the foal will be a mutt (grade or registered).

it's all up to being responsible, which doesn't always happen (in a lot of cases it doesn't), but i believe the only way to prevent irresponsible breeding is to EDUCATE those thinking about breeding. Tell them what's involved, show them the FACTS of breeding their horse and give them all the tools that they need to breed their horse. Be honest and show them exactly WHY the horse they have might not be good for breeding and tell them about ALL of their options, including going through the market to find a horse that's close to what they're looking for. i agree being blunt is sometimes necessary, but to be so blunt and in their face right away will do nothing but turn potential breeders off, make them shy away from doing research or asking questions and possibly breed irresponsibly.

if a person does not listen to reason and refuses to see the facts about breeding, that is the time to be blunt. otherwise, try to be a guiding hand and show them to all the information they need. if we do that we can prevent unnecessary breeding, lead the person to buying a new horse, or allow them to breed a good horse safely. it may not stop pointless breeding of horses, but we can at least do something more than tell all of those thinking of breeding their horses that they're wrong. //rant over.

i agree with you. I suppose i should take lessons from every one on this thread and spent more time on wording my "speech" better. I forget that people are not all like me and hate when people wont speak their mind or opinions or beat around the bush.

*sigh* time to take a speech class so i can rant without royal pissing people off.
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i'm not going to go into this anymore than what i'm saying next, because i don't want to end up in a fight of some sort.

my comments were not directed at you specifically. both sides, some people commenting about you, some you commenting on others have been hostile at the worst and antagonizing at the best. i was more responding to the question you posed. i was not trying to attack you or give you a lesson in the way you voice your opinions. on the other side, by you being so offended (if you are not offended, please tell me! i'm not trying to say you are, it's just what i'm perceiving from your response) by my post it's sort of telling me not to voice my opinion as well.

it's wonderful that you agree with me, and i'm sorry if i've caused any offense or interpreted what you've posted wrongly. i'm simply trying to resolve this in the best way i know how. people have different ways of approaching things, and i appreciate that, i'm simply trying to bring another view into the discussion.

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i'm not going to go into this anymore than what i'm saying next, because i don't want to end up in a fight of some sort.

my comments were not directed at you specifically. both sides, some people commenting about you, some you commenting on others have been hostile at the worst and antagonizing at the best. i was more responding to the question you posed. i was not trying to attack you or give you a lesson in the way you voice your opinions. on the other side, by you being so offended (if you are not offended, please tell me! i'm not trying to say you are, it's just what i'm perceiving from your response) by my post it's sort of telling me not to voice my opinion as well.

it's wonderful that you agree with me, and i'm sorry if i've caused any offense or interpreted what you've posted wrongly. i'm simply trying to resolve this in the best way i know how. people have different ways of approaching things, and i appreciate that, i'm simply trying to bring another view into the discussion.

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see, this is why i hate the internet... tones can not be heard or understood properly. . I am honestly in no way offended i genuinely respect what you just said in the previous post. and i'm realizing that i really should have worded my rant differently as it did seem to start fights. but the way i was raised, and the way i live is im blunt. im honest, and i tell it how it is. i forget sometimes that people can see that as rude or such. The way you worded what you said was brilliant.

Its not that i have a problem with breeding, or mutts at all. I just hate when people have no idea what breeding requires or what comes with it. people think "get the mare pregnant baby pops out later! woo!" they dont think of all of the stuff that goes with breeding or the work that follows.

As for mutts? I love them. if they are sound. if they have good conformation. not even that, if they are sound horses that can do what that person wants, cool. I worked for about 3 years (when i first started riding) with an OTTB with a broken knee and all he could do was walk trot canter. not even poles cause his leg wasn't healed properly due to lack of proper care. but i dont understand why people breed horses with problems, with a stud, to get a horse like their horse, but with no problems... its silly... idk... to each their own . and i just bit myself in the ass by posting this thread.
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post #28 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 08:28 AM
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I bred my mare because I don't want to buy someone else's train wreck! She's an exceptional horse and I want her to be able to pass her genes on. When the foal hits the ground I KNOW how it is handled and raised. It won't know anything other than being a well behaved horse. The stallion I chose compliments my mare very well also.
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post #29 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 08:31 AM
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Its ok Hanna, but like I said at the very beginning, its a train wreck. So many people out there are breeding for so many reasons. Whether its a good reason or not so good. But not one person here can control that with a rant. You will piss people off.

No one here can judge another for the reasons they have to breed. We don't know each other and can't stop someone from breeding their "heart horse" because they want a "piece" of that horse to live on. We all know there is no guarantees. Genes can hide many faults even when its a proven horse.

So my opinion is do what you think is right. But remember the consequences of your actions can result in a bad breeding. Its your own fault if the foal comes out completely wrong. And remember how many good animals out there really need a home. For all the expense put into breeding, you can probably use your money wiser on a foal or horse that is exactly what you've been looking for all along.
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post #30 of 262 Old 08-11-2011, 09:43 AM
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How many threads are there on this topic? I mean seriously you open the breeding section and theres 10 why breed...dont breed you have to weed thru this "junk mail" to get to postings from good breeders.
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