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        10-04-2012, 09:41 AM
      #11
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by aldebono    
    So yours, except the one, are never retired fully into breeding and are always ridden?

    I think I know the answer to this but. Are some mares never broke and bred because of what's on their pedigree?
    Correct, mine are never fully retired into broodie status and now, because we've slowed waaaaay down on the breeding end of things, they'll be ridden even more.

    Some people just use the mares as broodies and don't do a thing with them.

    I never particularly subscribed to that because I enjoy riding and showing too much. When the economy started to slow down and horse sales got slower and more horses started ending up in rescues or at the auction, I decided I wanted to make sure everyone had the safety net of having a 'job' to fall back on should something ever happen to me or they couldn't be bred again for whatever reason. So, starting about 10 years ago, I started with the eldest and started getting them all under saddle. At that point I had around 20 mares. Up til then, we'd primarily been a halter barn but now we've come full circle and hardly show halter at all, LOL!

    Funny thing was, once they were under saddle and being ridden, they also got sold! I'm now down to 4 mares, 3 foals, 1 stallion and 1 gelding! And working on moving at least 2 more babies on before winter, I hope!
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        10-04-2012, 09:43 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    I guess I can add too. Though I wouldn't call her a broodmare really.
    The mare we bred was my dad's low level hunter/jumper. I couldn't do anything as a kid without him tagging along so naturally he got into horses with me. They had a little wreck jumping a bank and she pulled a tendon which never fully healed (with vet care). So she was retired to short walking trail rides around the property and produced one foal.
         
        10-04-2012, 09:45 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    Correct, mine are never fully retired into broodie status and now, because we've slowed waaaaay down on the breeding end of things, they'll be ridden even more.

    Some people just use the mares as broodies and don't do a thing with them.

    I never particularly subscribed to that because I enjoy riding and showing too much. When the economy started to slow down and horse sales got slower and more horses started ending up in rescues or at the auction, I decided I wanted to make sure everyone had the safety net of having a 'job' to fall back on should something ever happen to me or they couldn't be bred again for whatever reason. So, starting about 10 years ago, I started with the eldest and started getting them all under saddle. At that point I had around 20 mares. Up til then, we'd primarily been a halter barn but now we've come full circle and hardly show halter at all, LOL!

    Funny thing was, once they were under saddle and being ridden, they also got sold! I'm now down to 4 mares, 3 foals, 1 stallion and 1 gelding! And working on moving at least 2 more babies on before winter, I hope!
    I understand that some operations have too many broodmares and riding horses combined to ride everyone. That is great that you only produce what you can afford to keep forever.
         
        10-04-2012, 09:52 AM
      #14
    Yearling
    My possibly pregnant mare (we think the vet missed the foal in the ultrasound as she hasnt come into heat and she's gained a LOT of weight while in constant work) has been ridden every day to keep her in shape. She's my current show horse so I put a lot of time into training and everything for her.

    My broodmare though was meant to be my english horse until a track injury kept flaring up and messing with her soundness. If I could ride her while she was pregnant I would... sadly she isnt even sound for lunging. She's perfectly fine in the pasture running around but she goes lame when asked to trot on the line.
         
        10-04-2012, 09:54 AM
      #15
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by aldebono    
    I understand that some operations have too many broodmares and riding horses combined to ride everyone. That is great that you only produce what you can afford to keep forever.
    Those babies can stay here as long as they need to, but 2 are for sale and hopefully will go to someone else before winter. The boy still needs gelded so he isn't even advertised, but the filly has 2 people coming to look at her in a day or 2. If it works out, fine, if not, that's fine too. She's actually one I really like, so it won't hurt my feelings if she stays. LOL! We're supposed to be getting a cold snap next week, so the little man can be gelded then and then we'll see. We're keeping 1 filly to show and maybe add to the breeding group, or maybe just make a trail horse out of her.
         
        10-04-2012, 09:55 AM
      #16
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aldebono    
    I understand that some operations have too many broodmares and riding horses combined to ride everyone. That is great that you only produce what you can afford to keep forever.
    The current market situation has forced many people to think differently about how they breed and responsible breeders are doing everything they can to stabilise the situation. Having more horses than buyers only forces down the prices which is really sad for someone who has put a great deal of time and effort to produce good quality stock that are suddenly worth less than its cost to get them to a selling age.
    The largest number of horses going for slaughter are unhandled or unrideable young horses, most of which have nothing wrong with them health wise.
    Breeding from an outgrown mare or an unsound mare (such as yours) is OK if she was a good riding horse, has basically good conformation and no genetic issues but unless you are planning to keep the foal for yourself you might find that you struggle to sell at a profit and if you are forced to sell at a low price there is no guarantee of where it will end up
         
        10-04-2012, 10:00 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    So you think more people are dragging their broodmares from the pasture and giving them an education or tune up? I guess if they can't sell foals for a profit there is no need for a pasture puff broodmare and she might as well be ridden and or sold.
         
        10-04-2012, 10:03 AM
      #18
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    Breeding from an outgrown mare or an unsound mare (such as yours) is OK if she was a good riding horse, has basically good conformation and no genetic issues but unless you are planning to keep the foal for yourself you might find that you struggle to sell at a profit and if you are forced to sell at a low price there is no guarantee of where it will end up
    When I first started my own operation I would not use an unsound mare for breeding. My thoughts on that were, if she broke down at the track and wasn't sound for use by the time she was 3 or 4, I didn't want to pass that on. My TB stallion raced, won, retired sound and died at age 22, still sound. He went out for play time on his last day, ran like the wind and dropped dead at my feet. I wish all horses could die such an easy death, at an old age. He sired a number of horses who went to the track, raced and retired sound, so those genetics worked.

    I would not have used the one 'unsound' broodie I have, except back when she got injured a chip fracture was considered carreer ending and she was only 4 months old at the time. It wasn't bad tendons or genetic conditions that caused her unsoundness. In today's improved vet care, I'd bet she wouldn't be considered unsound, she'd have been considered fine after 6 or 8 weeks and put back to work. Like I said, she's never taken an unsound step since she healed up from the injury, but back then they said never to try to ride her.

    A horse that's been ridden regularly and injured on a fluke, I wouldn't have a problem using, but back in the track days no way would I take those broke down mares (they were just young, 3 & 4 and finished).
         
        10-04-2012, 10:13 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    This mare was in her teens when she pulled the tendon and not a genetic issue. This was 10 years ago at least. Vet said they could do surgery, but it wasn't a guarantee if she would stay sound. My parents have always been in the position that they could keep her as a pasture puff.

    I agree, I would not breed a mare who broke down early.
         
        10-04-2012, 10:14 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    My OTTB who is retired has a trainer who got on her WAAY too early and ran her way too fast way to early. The owner didnt understand why it was bad at the time. My girl and all the other horses that were with that trainer were retired due to the same thing. Bone chips in the knees. Luckily my girl has stunning conformation and the gaits and mental attitude of a performance horse so im breeding all around babies out of her. I agree with the unsound horses need to be checked over carefully but sometimes there is a reason why they broke down so early and it wasnt their genetics fault.
         

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