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post #1 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 11:52 AM Thread Starter
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Working on a new breed...

Basically, I'm looking for the following traits:

Endurance/stamina
Speed
Jump ability
Beauty
Good size but not huge, just big enough to get over higher obstacles but small enough a short person (4'9-5'6) can get on without much difficulty.

If there isn't already a breed like this available, I'll just go ahead and post what I think would work best

Thoroughbred: excellent speed, decent stamina/endurance fairly beautiful, good jump ability, too tall
Dutch warmblood: good speed, ok endurancew/stamina, very beautiful, too large
Welsh pony: OK stamina, ok speed, Good jump skills, ok beauty, just tall enough, but not quite the right width
Arabian: Excellent speed, excellent endurance/stamina, not the best jump skills, very beautiful, about the right height and width
Backcross thoroughbred and Arabian, another warmblood, and add some morgan. For a bit of strength and a little smaller height
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post #2 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 11:55 AM
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What exactly are your plans here? Breeding to create your own "breed"?

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post #3 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 11:58 AM Thread Starter
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Yeah, I'm guessing I'm trying to get attention by saying pure blooded horses, dogs, whatever, aren't the only champions, but if the horse becomes a breed down the road, I'll be ok with it.
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post #4 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 12:02 PM
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Yeah, I'm guessing I'm trying to get attention by saying pure blooded horses, dogs, whatever, aren't the only champions, but if the horse becomes a breed down the road, I'll be ok with it.

Ever heard of a horse named Russian Roulette? http://www.usef.org/_staffIframes/pr...bd8ca103a2.pdf

3rd page down, upper left hand corner. Sasha is a purebred Arabian who blew away the open jumping circuit. He's not huge either, maybe 14.2.
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post #5 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 12:03 PM
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In order for something to be a registered breed, the foundation animals have to breed true. You can't just put a mish-mash of horses together and call it a breed.

There has to be a breed standard, and all the animals produced have to be recognizable by those standards physically.

Breeding has to be done carefully and with well thought out plans, not just breeding a bunch of disparate horses and hoping for the best.

There are plenty of recognized breeds already out there who can jump, have speed, and have good endurance.

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post #6 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 12:09 PM Thread Starter
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I don't necessarily care if it becomes a breed or not, I'm just planning to prove some mixed breeds (horses, dogs, whatever else you can think of) are better both health and talent wise than other breeds. I'm saying though, IF it becomes a breed down the road, then I'm fine with that. I'm not doing this for fame or attention to myself, I'm trying to draw attention towards the possibility of mixed breeds being prospective champions, possibly better than pure breds in several ways.
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post #7 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 12:12 PM
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There are plenty of crossbreds already who have proven their worth. You're not blazing a new trail, you're merely treading an already well worn path.

Grade horses and crossbreds can and do compete successfully, but there's nothing that makes them better or more worthy than purebreds, especially a horse that was bred for a specific purpose.

You seem to have breed bias, for some reason. Why do you think grades and crossbreds are better than purebreds? Especially purebreds that are purpose bred?

Besides, breeding a bunch of TB/WB/Arabian/Welsh grades doesn't necessarily mean those horses will get the best of all the breeds. They could very well get the WORST, as well as any genetic problems endemic to each particular breed.

You haven't really thought this through, have you?

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post #8 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 12:15 PM
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You're a little late in trying to prove grade horses can be champions.. Yes, a very rare few grade horses have been champions. Those horses are far and few between, grade horses can be champions on a local level many times, but there aren't many "big" grade horse champions. It's a fact of people wanting registered horses over a grade horse. Just because it's a grade doesn't mean it's going to have better health..If you breed two different registered horses together and it can't be registered it's still a grade, that doesn't mean it's magically going to have better health or have a better chance at being a winner.. You have a very slight chance of getting lucky with breeding for what you're looking for or it could be a complete disaster.

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post #9 of 124 Old 10-23-2012, 12:20 PM
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You can't just lump together all the individual horses with breed stereotypes. Sure there's what people typically think of certain breeds. Apparently all Thoroughbreds are huge, crazy, hot spazzes. Mine didn't get the memo. He's barely over 15HH and cool as a cucumber, and he's still a youngin'. While I love mutts and rescues, I find it annoying that people advocate only getting them over purebred animals because the mutts are "better" in some way. Honestly, they're not. They're all the darn same in the fact that every horse, despite the breed or mix thereof, is an individual.

I like what someone from a recent dog program at the farm says. "Purebreds are nothing more than codified mutts."
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Honestly people, I think we're dealing with a youngster here who has stars in her eyes and an unrealistic view of breeding the next Grand Champion, as well as seeing herself as the plucky, underdog heroine in her own life story.
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