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        10-24-2012, 07:54 AM
      #111
    Green Broke
    Ok so to elaborate on my "designer dog", first she was an accidental litter and I only paid $100 for her. She came potty trained and all her puppy shots she could have at 10 weeks, the $100 was worth the potty training alone lol. I wanted a small fluffy dog for my apartment. My big dog (pitt/rott mix ) obviously could not come with me when I left home.

    I call my little one my retarted cotton ball because, well, I'm pretty sure she is ******ed. She costs me hundreds each year because of her being so "special". Luckily she doesn't have the knee problems so often associated with chihuahuas. But seriously, what kind of dog is allergic to grass?!

    Oh and she barks (this is where the ******ed part comes in), I can't get her to stop. As soon as she barks she hides because she knows she's not supposed to, if she tries to hold her barks in she starts to shake she wants to bark so bad...... She bites too but has only really aggressively bit one person and they totally had it coming. I told the lady to stay away from my dog (it was a client, the office was at home so the dog lived there too) so what does the lady do..... well the dog walks around with her tail between her legs and wont get near this lady because she gives off a sketchy vibe, well the dog is growling as this lady is in a part of the house she shouldn't be so the next best thing is to try to take the dogs toy..... yeap I couldn't even say sorry for that one.

    Haha sorry for the story, just had to defend the "designer" dogs, well kinda, mine's kind of a story as to why not to get one.....
         
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        10-24-2012, 09:59 AM
      #112
    Yearling
    It also cracks me up that people will defend the mutt by saying " I had a mutt and it was the best dog I ever had" or "I had a mutt and it was the healthiest dog I knew of" Both of those statements might very well be true but it isn't a fact that all mutts are great dogs or that they are healthier then purebred dogs.

    As someone else mentioned about the Shepherds, there are a lot of people that are against some of the things that are happening to that breed. The problem with all of this is the extreems. The Shepherd slope, the teenie weenie dogs, the short noses becomming so short the dog can never have normal breath, the dogs head becomming so large the mother cannot whelp on her own. Extremes are just bad, Period.

    There are many purebred dogs that are becomming quite unhealthy and that is a fact. Thinking you can then just breed mutts to be healthy, is not a fact. What people should be doing is focusing on getting "heathy" back into everyones breeding practice. Forgetting about extremes "biggest, smallest, most angle, shortest nose, biggest head, longest teeth" whatever the extreme breeders are looking for. As consumers, we control the breeding practices. It doesn't pay to breed dogs that nobody buyts. Sadly, the consumers right now are on the extreme band wagon. Education is the key.

    Ask people do you really want a dog that can't breath right and suffers every day for that reason, just because you think it is cute?
    Do you really need a dog that is angled that much if it means the dog will not be physically sound?
    Do you need the dog to be the size of a hamster if it means health problems to the dog? How do you "LOVE THE DOG" if it means, you took part in promoting the suffering of the dog, by purchasing it?

    Also, people purchase a lot of these dogs because they are convenient. No waiting for a puppy (like you would from a reputable breeder) no having to answer questions about yourself (like you would from a reputable breeder) etc...

    Impulse buys lead the market, selfish bragging rights (mine is smaller, bigger, more angled, shorter nosed) lead the market. Education is key. Changing minds is difficult.

    I wish I could take all these want to be breeders to the auction houses, show them the thousands of dogs/horses that are already made and now suffering. I guess if the people are selfish and greedy enough, that wouldn't make a difference though.
         
        10-24-2012, 10:19 AM
      #113
    Green Broke
    This is getting thrown in kinda late..
    PUGGGLESSSS!! So cute:3

    But another example of some are cute and some are just....uhh..grimlin looking..
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        10-24-2012, 10:21 AM
      #114
    Green Broke
    ^^^hey I resent that. Mine is a gremlin.
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        10-24-2012, 10:23 AM
      #115
    Showing
    Puggles might be 'cute' but they're a blend of two dogs who should never have been bred together.

    Why oh why breed a Beagle and a Pug? One was originally bred as a hunting dog, and they're energetic and LOUD. The other was bred to be a house pet, and they have breathing issues. Oh yeah, the puppies are going to be KYOOT, so I guess that's all that really matters.

    Y'all can wax poetic about your mutts if you want to, but people who would pay champion lineage prices for a dog whose only claim to fame is being 'cute' are cracked.
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        10-24-2012, 10:46 AM
      #116
    Foal
    Speed Racer I hear ya. I have Beagles 13 inch red tick AKC registered ones great hunters and at agility, but my husbands daughter thought she could just come over with her female pug to breed with my male Beagle so she could sell puggles. Um no not happening. Her pug was purchased from a pet store at a local mall. Now we all know were those dogs come from. I have yet to see a AKC registered dog be purchased from a mall pet store. Ok and even if she came from a very good breeder it will still not happen. I really see no need to have these designer dogs.
         
        10-24-2012, 11:42 AM
      #117
    Trained
    Seeing as a Beagle is simply awesome on its own, why mix it with anything?
         
        10-24-2012, 11:45 AM
      #118
    Weanling
    Unhappy

    I will never purchase an animal from a breeder, or breed one myself.

    The market for animals is so flooded right now, that even the most reputable of breeders with the highest caliber of animals and the best intentions are contributing to the problem. I would implore anyone looking to bring home a new family member to search their local shelters instead.
    I work in veterinary medicine, and have done a lot of rescue work, and I can say without a doubt that it's much more rewarding to save a life than to create a new one.
    We had a woman come into the clinic last week with her 5 lb yorkie bitch, who had never been vaccinated or given heartworm prevention in the 5 years she had visiting our hospital. The bitch had given birth to four babies already, but had not passed another since 7 am that morning. It was then 6 pm. Doc told her, I can give her oxytocin, but after reviewing the xrays [the pup was not headfirst, but not breach either, quite contorted] he said it was against his medical recommendation to do so, as it could cause detachment of the placenta. She insisted for 20 minutes that we try that route, rather than a c-section, and that she would pay us all for our time. Yeah, right. [We close at 6.] Her daughter finally convinced her to go ahead with the c-section, and I was witness to the birth of the final, and largest, puppy. He was beautiful, but as he took his first breaths, I couldn't help but wonder where he would end up. If his life would be filled with happiness and a full belly, or terror and neglect. As cute as he was, I found myself wishing that he had never come into existence.

    I know my vision is one for an ideal world, which sadly, does not exist. I know people are still going to breed, and still pay thousands for "purebred" animals, but I can dream, right? For everyone one homeless and unwanted animal adopted, there is a step in the right direction...
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        10-24-2012, 11:56 AM
      #119
    Super Moderator
    So many of these problems with dogs and horses come about when people take a breed and then start to refine it to produce an extreme feature - flatter noses, tinier heads, longer legs, bigger quarters etc so an animal that once had a purpose suddenly becomes nothing more than health issue or an art form.
    Its been going on for years. In the UK the dog we called an alsation became known as a GSD. They were big powerful dogs without the hip problems but everyone wanted that droopy hind end look.
    We have a pug that's been bred from a really good line - no runny nose and runny eyes and not having such an extreme flat face means that she is more energetic and so easily keeps a good weight.
    What is absurd is that our little Pom who could be re-registered as a mini German Spitz is a cousin of the Giant German Spitz which is probably one of the closest relatives to the wolf.
    Its possible to cross two breeds to get an animal that might be more useful in some competitive nature - a lot of arabian cross breeds are an example of that as are the UK native ponies crossed with TB's and arabs and draft horses crossed in the same way to get a smaller sturdy compact cob that can carry any weight and live on next to nothing but no need to make a whole new breed of them
         
        10-24-2012, 12:09 PM
      #120
    Yearling
    I couldn't read through all this thread, but I'm still laughing about the research of a "bit" of genetics.

    That must make someone an amazing breeder and keeper of all sorts of knowledge.

    I just don't get the backyard breeding craze. Admittedly, I'd like to breed my mare one day, but I am putting so much thought and research into it that it HURTS to think of it more. Which is why I HAVEN'T bred her thus far. If you really do your research, you start doubting yourself on the whole topic because there really are so many reasons NOT to breed, let alone breed for a new horse that will NEVER make it as a new "breed". That's so very arrogant to assume.

    It would take decades and the finest of minds together breeding for a new trait to even begin to start a new breed, and that's only if this new offspring has anything even remotely new to add to the pool. Mixing and matching doesn't do any justice to any foal/s that result.

    Spend more time finding a horse that already exists with all those traits because they..well...already exist!
         

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