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  • It is best to give a mare a year off from breeding
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    12-21-2011, 03:30 PM
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I know someone who has a mare that had a foal April 2011, bred her again in May 2011, and is now due to foal again near April 2012. But I just found out that she is thinking and possibly might breed her again to the same stallion right after she has her second foal.

So she would be bred three times in a row.

1. What is your opinion on this? (Please no fights just your honest opinion)
2. Is this healthy for the mare? The foals?
3. Would you do the same?


Now after reading the above.....and answering the questions would you answer differently if I told you that-

a) She is breeding to a unaccomplished, not shown, champagne paint stud colt that has bad (not terrible but undesirable) conformation. That she has been trying to sell for over year.....unsuccessfully.
b) The mare is 5 or 6 and is not trained except in basics, only ridden for a month or two before being bred the first time.
c) There is not market for her breed and her "rare" color.
d) She has been trying to sell the first foal since it was born, and has failed to find a home for him.
e) She has a total of 4 horses for sale including the stud colt and the first foal.

She breeds for color, not conformation even though she claims to. Yes mom has good conformation, but the stud doesn't. Plus she already has too many horses, shouldn't she try and actually sell her horses and geld her stallion so he will sell quicker?

He is really sweet and he gives it to his foals but he would make a better little show gelding for a little girl (or boy) than a stallion who no one wants.

Anyways, thoughts?

And most importantly.....is breeding yearly a good idea on a young mare? (Who may or may not be getting the nutrients she needs! After her first foal she became very skinny and has only recently recovered.)
     
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    12-21-2011, 04:23 PM
  #2
mls
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My opinion - not my horse, not my decision.
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    12-21-2011, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kjr5horses    
I know someone who has a mare that had a foal April 2011, bred her again in May 2011, and is now due to foal again near April 2012. But I just found out that she is thinking and possibly might breed her again to the same stallion right after she has her second foal.

So she would be bred three times in a row.

1. What is your opinion on this? (Please no fights just your honest opinion)

I have no problem with it. I have and will continue to do the same thing.
2. Is this healthy for the mare? The foals?

As long as the mare is in good health there is no reason no to keep her in foal that is what broodmares are for.
3. Would you do the same?

As stated have and will. Have a mare now that had a foal in 2011 will have one in 2012 and will most likely breed her back.


Now after reading the above.....and answering the questions would you answer differently if I told you that-

a) She is breeding to a unaccomplished, not shown, champagne paint stud colt that has bad (not terrible but undesirable) conformation. That she has been trying to sell for over year.....unsuccessfully.

No I would not breed to a stallion like that however it would have little barring on if "I" would breed my mares every year. I just would not use un proven stock.
b) The mare is 5 or 6 and is not trained except in basics, only ridden for a month or two before being bred the first time.

Again I do not use unproven stock so it still would not change my above answers.

c) There is not market for her breed and her "rare" color.

Color and being rare is not a reason to be breeding in any market.

d) She has been trying to sell the first foal since it was born, and has failed to find a home for him.

Again if there is not a market for a horse then there is no reason to be breeding regardless of the horse breed health or what have you.

e) She has a total of 4 horses for sale including the stud colt and the first foal.

Ya? That does not bother me. What would bother me is if in the time it takes her to sell them they are not getting quality care. If they are then I have no problem with how many she has for sale.

She breeds for color, not conformation even though she claims to. Yes mom has good conformation, but the stud doesn't. Plus she already has too many horses, shouldn't she try and actually sell her horses and geld her stallion so he will sell quicker?

Again who is to say who has too many horses? As long as she can care for them and feed them then I do not care if she has a 100 horses. I do agree that she should stop breeding as she seems to have no plan as to what she is breeding for and no color is not a plan.

He is really sweet and he gives it to his foals but he would make a better little show gelding for a little girl (or boy) than a stallion who no one wants.

Anyways, thoughts?

And most importantly.....is breeding yearly a good idea on a young mare? (Who may or may not be getting the nutrients she needs! After her first foal she became very skinny and has only recently recovered.)
Again breeding every year is not a big deal as long as the mare is in good health. It comes down to what the owner can and will do to keep the mare in good health. I have no problems with breeding a mare every year. As they get older you have to or you will have a very hard time getting them back in foal.

However from what you have said. It is not about breeding the mare every year but the quality of the horses she is using.
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    12-21-2011, 04:34 PM
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I won't address whether she should be breeding the horses in question - that is a separate issue.

But as far as continuous annual breeding, it depends largely upon the condition of the mare. If mares are kept in a good fleshy condition of 5 - 6, and are otherwise healthy, there is no reason they cannot be bred every year - it is perfectly natural for them to have one foal a year. If they are in or draw down to a condition of 4, than no they shouldn't be re-bred.

When I was breeding, I gave my mares a year off every 3 or 4 years...just my personal preference. But I don't think it is absolutely necessary...
     
    12-21-2011, 05:24 PM
  #5
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I have no problem with yearly breeding. That's a broodmare's "job". She gets to hang out alllll year, have a little one around for a few months, then hang out alllllll year again.

When my old trainer still owned my TB mare, she was a broodmare and was re-bred on every foal heat. Never had many problems - but once she didn't catch, so she got a year off.

If it was my horse, I'd be tempted to give her off every 3 years or so... but more for my peace of mind, than hers.
     
    12-21-2011, 05:42 PM
  #6
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My personal preference is to give the mare a year off between breedings, or even longer in todays economy, but I'm pretty much not the norm for breeders. I'm also very critical of what I produce and if the stallion's confo isn't stellar I won't use him regardless of temper or color. He's to be the whole package or I'm not interested. Same for the mare. I know people who breed mares that I would have shot long ago because they are such witches, and produce the same, but they feel they are 'too valuable'.

I have 3 stallions and they all "understand" that if they don't behave or challenge me one time too many, they will be geldings, I don't care how good they are. My life would be a lot easier if I'd geld them all and not bother with this breeding business, and at some point I may do just that.

As for being under saddle, especially with the economy the way it is, I think we owe it to our mares to get them under saddle and at least started in some discipline. If something happens to me or she becomes sterile and needs to be sold, then she stands a chance of having a nice person pick her up for a riding horse rather than automatically getting sent to slaughter as a used up broodie. Again, IMO, only. I have 2 mares left to start and that will be this year while they have the year off from breeding.

All this of course, is just how I feel about things, not what everyone else agrees with.
     
    12-21-2011, 05:54 PM
  #7
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Physically-as has been said, as long as the mare is in good condition-fine.

Would I ever condone this type of BYB? NEVER! There are too many good horses going "down the road".

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but, as long as they are cared for, it really is NOT your business. If they are NOT cared for, it needs to be the business of the authorities, and once they are aware-again-not your business.
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    12-21-2011, 06:01 PM
  #8
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Originally Posted by kjr5horses    
I know someone who has a mare that had a foal April 2011, bred her again in May 2011, and is now due to foal again near April 2012. But I just found out that she is thinking and possibly might breed her again to the same stallion right after she has her second foal.

So she would be bred three times in a row.

1. What is your opinion on this? (Please no fights just your honest opinion)
2. Is this healthy for the mare? The foals?
3. Would you do the same?


Now after reading the above.....and answering the questions would you answer differently if I told you that-

a) She is breeding to a unaccomplished, not shown, champagne paint stud colt that has bad (not terrible but undesirable) conformation. That she has been trying to sell for over year.....unsuccessfully.
b) The mare is 5 or 6 and is not trained except in basics, only ridden for a month or two before being bred the first time.
c) There is not market for her breed and her "rare" color.
d) She has been trying to sell the first foal since it was born, and has failed to find a home for him.
e) She has a total of 4 horses for sale including the stud colt and the first foal.

She breeds for color, not conformation even though she claims to. Yes mom has good conformation, but the stud doesn't. Plus she already has too many horses, shouldn't she try and actually sell her horses and geld her stallion so he will sell quicker?

He is really sweet and he gives it to his foals but he would make a better little show gelding for a little girl (or boy) than a stallion who no one wants.

Anyways, thoughts?

And most importantly.....is breeding yearly a good idea on a young mare? (Who may or may not be getting the nutrients she needs! After her first foal she became very skinny and has only recently recovered.)
Like others have said...breeding every year is fine if the mare is healthy and checked by a vet before re breeding and given the ok.

A lot of mares give a lot to their foals but a pregnant mare will not feel the effects of a foal nutrition wise for a few months after breeding so as long as the mare recovers and the nursing foal is weaned to prevent too much being taken from the mare then everything should be ok.

I am not a advocate of breeding for color alone and wonder...are either the stud and mare registered or is she breeding for the sake of it?

Selling an unregistered horse will be difficult and this may be why the adult horses are not being picked up to buy.

The first foal is just a weanling and ANY weanling is hard to sell especial just before winter...and doubly hard to sell if there are no papers that can go along with it.
     
    12-21-2011, 06:17 PM
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Both mare and stallion are registered as well as the weanling. As paints and as champagnes.

After the mare foaled she lost a ton of weight and was bred again, in May, she has just recently as of a month ago regained her weight.


The mare is the FULL package. Conformation-wise, temperament-wise, and everything she is an amazing horse.

The stallion is not the full package, yes he has "rare" color genetics which mean squat to me, and he has a fantastic temperament but I would never ever consider him as a stud prospect.

Its my best friend's horses, and she has been a bit...loopy to say the least lately and not feeling well and making crazy decisions lately. I take care of her horses and manage her barn and what not. If I were not working here her horses would be in terrible condition and all poorly taken care of.

Just wanted to know you're opinions on the breeding and what not.
     
    12-21-2011, 08:40 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    

As for being under saddle, especially with the economy the way it is, I think we owe it to our mares to get them under saddle and at least started in some discipline. If something happens to me or she becomes sterile and needs to be sold, then she stands a chance of having a nice person pick her up for a riding horse rather than automatically getting sent to slaughter as a used up broodie. Again, IMO, only. I have 2 mares left to start and that will be this year while they have the year off from breeding.
This!

I am one of those people that picked up an ex-broodie for cheap as a riding horse. I am enjoying the heck out of her. She is 17 and has had 10 foals (that I know of). I kind of feel bad that she has had all these foals and no permanent home until I bought her (I think I am her 4th or 5th home). So I get the impression people just used her for babies and then sold her on.

BUT I am very thankful to whomever thought enough of her to saddle break her. The guy I bought her from was going to send her (and a bunch of other broodmares) to auction and I would be scared to think where she could have ended up. I only paid $500 for her. So it's her training that got her a home here. (And I don't sell my horses unless I absolutely have to). So I would like to think that she has a good home in her old age as a trail horse. I won't breed her. She's done her part to populate the world. Not to mention she came pregnant so I have a little hellion here already to deal with.

Other than a saggy big belly she doesn't seem to be an worse off for being pregnant the majority of her adult life. I am feeding her really good just in case. I got her on ration balancer along with high quality alfalfa as soon as I bought her, which was probably good since she was pregnant which I didn't find out about until several months later. :roll:

Anyway, I kind of feel sorry for broodmares that are used up an have no other "use" to fall back on. I think the best thing is to get them a foundation as at least a trail/pleasure horse because a less-than-stellar broodmare in this economy with no training isn't a good candidate for a permanent home. And that is just too sad.
     

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