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    06-10-2010, 10:07 AM
  #31
Weanling
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Originally Posted by HowClever    
sorry to hijack the thread here, but I am trying to learn more about colours. Genetically speaking what would it be with a horse who is pitch black all year round, except for being tan coloured around the eyes and muzzle?
This one is "brown." He's not chesnut, but he's not black. He very well could be a very dark bay, but depending on what his parents were, I would register him as brown.


This horse is also brown.
     
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    06-10-2010, 10:08 AM
  #32
Weanling
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    06-10-2010, 10:41 AM
  #33
Weanling
Looks like seal brown to me.
     
    06-10-2010, 10:58 AM
  #34
Weanling
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Originally Posted by equiniphile    
I've heard that a black horse that fades is called a fading black, and a black horse that doesn't fade is a true black

This is what I've always known and heard .
     
    06-10-2010, 11:10 AM
  #35
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by AfterParty    
This is what I've always known and heard .
True blacks do not fade. They may bleach from salt but they do not fade.
     
    06-10-2010, 08:23 PM
  #36
Started
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Originally Posted by sarahver    
There is a genetic difference between a fading black and a true black however all colours fade as a result of exposure to sunlight so it can be difficult to tell without a genetic test.

Wrong.

What exactly do you think the genetic difference is? Black horses can only be EE or Ee, and that doesn't affect their appearance at all.

"True black" is just words. It's used to describe a black horse that doesn't fade. It's not genetic and it's not scientific. Same with "fading black."

You cannot genetically determine the difference between a "true black" and a "fading black."


Like you said, all colors can fade with sun damage. It's especially obvious on black hair - as in blacks, bays, browns, buckskins, etc. You don't hear anybody talking about a "true buckskin" or a "true bay." That's because it's simply a descriptive term.

I dislike the term "true black," because it makes it sound like fading blacks are not actually blacks - which couldn't be further from the truth. I think the word "true" is what has caused some people to think that fading blacks are not black or are genetically different to blacks.
     
    06-10-2010, 08:34 PM
  #37
Trained
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Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    
Wrong.

What exactly do you think the genetic difference is? Black horses can only be EE or Ee, and that doesn't affect their appearance at all.

"True black" is just words. It's used to describe a black horse that doesn't fade. It's not genetic and it's not scientific. Same with "fading black."

You cannot genetically determine the difference between a "true black" and a "fading black."


Like you said, all colors can fade with sun damage. It's especially obvious on black hair - as in blacks, bays, browns, buckskins, etc. You don't hear anybody talking about a "true buckskin" or a "true bay." That's because it's simply a descriptive term.

I dislike the term "true black," because it makes it sound like fading blacks are not actually blacks - which couldn't be further from the truth. I think the word "true" is what has caused some people to think that fading blacks are not black or are genetically different to blacks.

Great post I agree 100%
     

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