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    05-28-2013, 02:24 PM
  #11
Foal
Also if you cut the gut off mentally, she actually is quite leggy indeed! A very nice Tb mare you have!
     
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    05-28-2013, 03:21 PM
  #12
Green Broke
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It`s highly regular to have a tb that age and size, you have to realise due to high grain intake and breed modification TB`s stop growing around 2-3, as warmbloods and QH`s stop at 4-5. That`s how they race them so young, they`re already finished developing
I whole heartedly disagree with this statement. You can feed a qh or warmblood(or any breed) on a high processed feed diet and have them shoot up in height really young. In no way does height represent maturity. My BO has a filly right now that came off the track(rescue) and has broken down in training, having not even raced, with near perfect conformation. Only a handful of trainers require xrays before accepting a horse for conditioning on the track for the first time, and none that I've heard of require it for the first 30 days. Many of the horses on the track are started before their knees are closed, and most before their second birthday. I know someone who refused to send their nearly 3 year old to the track because he had his knees xrayed and was not nearly ready for it. Even if the knees are closed, that shows no consideration for all the other bones and joints further up, or the mental health of the horses.

I would get a fecal done, and look carefully at her diet. All the horses at my BO's look trim and fantasic, one is 9 months, one a year, one just turned two. They get good quality mixed hay, oats and beet pulp
     
    05-28-2013, 04:20 PM
  #13
Foal
Ditto - have a fecal done, get her in work to trim off the excess belly. She is actually a nicely built TB filly if you take the gut off.
The statement above that they "are mature" by 2 is as wrong as I can see it. Sure they are developed by 2 to be racing hard at 3. But even they "finish" growing around 5 years old just like a lot of other breeds. And some bloodlines just done mature as fast as others and really don't "look like adults" until they are further into their 2 or even 3 year old year.

Not every 2 year old Thoroughbred is 16 hands! I have a filly coming to me in the next month that I bred - I never expect her to get over 15.2 hands, as a 2 y.o. She is barely brushing 15 hands (don't expect to ride her for another year to just let her finish "growing"). Since I owned her dam I am pretty certain of what she will look like as a 3 y.o. That is just that line - decent looking yearlings, ugly as sin as 2 y.o.'s then stablize and grow up at 3 & 4. On the other hand a colt born 2 weeks after her (same sire) looks like an adult horse at 2 years old - 16 hands and balanced... I'm not stressing over what I know will grow up.
     
    05-28-2013, 04:56 PM
  #14
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She looks fine to me. Good condition too, IMO. I think that her legs and body are decently proportioned for a two year old, and that her belly is giving the illusion of them being shorter than they are.

You asked if anyone else had two year old pictures, so I'll share a few with you of our filly, although she's only 19 1/2 months old, not two. She came from a similar situation though maybe more extreme. She was extremely emaciated and at only about half of what her body weight should have been, infested with worms and lice, and very sick. As she has been recovering from all of that (she was taken from her old home late in December) there have been multiple times when her belly has looked quite bloated dispite having a clean fecal and high quality food. I think its just something they have to get through as their digestive tract heals (hers had all but stopped functioning) and regenerates itself. I actually started her on a few power doses, then a maintenance dose of ProBios for about a month and it helped with the belly quite a bit, as well as clearing up a bit of runny poo she was having. It might be an option for you, if you're interested. It doesn't cost a whole lot and can be bought in gel or powder form.

Note that Kenzie (our filly) is VERY stunted because of her neglect and only stands at 12.3hh, and she was still in horrifying condition in this photo (only about 4 weeks after coming to us) but I figured I'd share with you since the 'pot belly' look seemed similar. Since your girl is already at her ideal weight though, it could just be a growth spurt that is causing it, worms, or ulcers, or just not enough nutrience and too much 'filler.' Its hard to tell sometimes.

Still ghastly thin with a gigantic potbelly and tons of starvation hairs + winter coat.



Now, after the probios and a LOT of rehabbing, supplementation, free choice hay, etc. She's still holding on to a little bit of that belly and needs more weight but IMO it looks far better.



(she's also floppy eared, which is another story. Ignore that xD)


I'd definitely get a fecal if you can though, just to make sure it isn't worms your dealing with, and maybe look up the signs of ulcers to see if that might be something she's dealing with.

She sure is a cutie though, and thick (heavier boned) legs is a GOOD thing, especially since TBs are notorious for stick legs ;)
     
    05-28-2013, 06:28 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by BlueSpark    
I whole heartedly disagree with this statement. You can feed a qh or warmblood(or any breed) on a high processed feed diet and have them shoot up in height really young. In no way does height represent maturity. My BO has a filly right now that came off the track(rescue) and has broken down in training, having not even raced, with near perfect conformation... Even if the knees are closed, that shows no consideration for all the other bones and joints further up, or the mental health of the horses.
I never stated that these horses are mentally sound or fit, and yes there's exceptions to every breed which is why you can't state that every single race horse raced young is not physically developed. Some are, some aren't, you can't change that. Is it right? No. Should a horse that young be put to such tests? No. So Please don't go saying that as a general statement that came from me, because I would never EVER agree with the race industry and the way they go about things, i'm nearly providing facts thank you kindly.
     
    05-31-2013, 10:35 AM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by smelmel    
there's exceptions to every breed which is why you can't state that every single race horse raced young is not physically developed.
Yes, you can, assuming you mean "fully mature" when you say "physically developed." And I can show you the scientific data to back it up.

This study explains the skeletal maturation process of horses. All horses.

As with all things with horses, sometimes we (this being a generalized 'we') get away with things we shouldn't.. but that doesn't change the facts.
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    05-31-2013, 11:14 AM
  #17
Yearling
My yearlings have tails that long if not a little longer. Looks more like a yearling to me as well. Maybe just an awkward phase for her.
     
    05-31-2013, 11:19 AM
  #18
Green Broke
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I never stated that these horses are mentally sound or fit, and yes there's exceptions to every breed which is why you can't state that every single race horse raced young is not physically developed.
No, you stated this:

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you have to realise due to high grain intake and breed modification TB`s stop growing around 2-3, as warmbloods and QH`s stop at 4-5. That`s how they race them so young, they`re already finished developing
which is what I disagreed with. You CAN NOT mature a horse faster with a different diet. They don't stop growing younger than other breeds, as Phantomhorse stated, all horses have a similar skeletal maturation rate. Its like looking at a 16 year old boy that shot up to 6' early and saying he's totally mature. He may have reached his maximum height, but he is far, far, from being skeletally mature, or even done building muscle. Coincidentally, many people believe QH, Paints, Appys, Tennessee walkers(etc) mature young, and start them before their second birthday. A stock breed, fed a high grain diet, can be well muscled and nearly full height by 2, just the same as a thoroughbred, but height means nothing. The issue with young horses worked too hard is close to my heart, I have worked with many young, unnecessarily crippled horses.
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