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post #11 of 44 Old 12-16-2012, 06:18 PM
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I have no problems with any cross whatsoever and, in fact, I prefer grade animals, in dogs at least. As for horses, it doesn't really bother me, but it does get annoying with all these new 'breeds' popping out of the woodwork every couple of years from just that much work, rather than the hundreds of years of specialized breeding that it took for every other breed. I'm fine with calling your dog a labradoodle because it's easier than saying lab cross poodle, or a multi****, cavoodle or chug. I'm fine with your horse being called a Starab (which s really the only one of those sorts of names I've ever heard in the horse world), but going so far as to register it as a breed... I'm sorry, but I don't think that has any purpose.

But, saying so, that disregards one of my favourite 'dream' horses, the Irish Sport Horse, since all it really is an Irish Draught x TB... Even so, IMHO I think that going so far as to register a cross without refining the breed down by breeding type to type is just an excuse for the purebred elitists to feel like they are owning a brilliant horse rather than 'just a cross'. Keep in mind that that is not my POV, I love crosses, but I've met many of such 'elitists' that think that way.
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post #12 of 44 Old 12-16-2012, 06:24 PM
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I am honestly NOT a fan of the Friesian crosses. I have seen so many of them and not liked most of them. I LOVE Saddlebreds and I love Friesians but not mixed. Most of the mixes to me just looked illebred. Big heads and not the best conformation. I know there are those that will try to make new breeds but in many cases it produces nothing special. I guess when you have such lovely breeds as these, why not just get one of the breeds that are already out there? I am not a "purebred horses/dogs only" person but I am also not a fan of tossing breeds together to throw out a designer name and big price tag for nothing special.
I personally am not fond of a purebred Friesian. They all look alike and most move funny and either are pulling themselves around or have the hind step to far back. They look very akward to me.
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It is often very difficult, to make those who have paid big money for a crossbred with a cutesy name, to come to the understanding, that what they bought was basically, a mutt/grade animal. This of course, because many who breed such crosses, make a registry on their kitchen table and others believe because it is registered, is automatically something special. Goodness, even purebreds for hundreds of years and with legit registries, are not necessarily good examples of their breed.

It often comes down, to the fact that new buyers, often seem to do little or no homework, on the breed or dog/horse, they are considering.

Homework and research and plenty of it, is the key. This before ever jumping in and plonking down one's hard-earned money, on any animal.

Scam breeders make a whole lot of money, from those who do no research.

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Isn't a Gypsy vanner a cross(mutt/grade)with a cutesy name? And usually a very expensive one at that.
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I don't think gypsy's are mutts. I think they may have more recent cross breeding close up in them due to their origins. I think they are no more or muts/grades then quarter horses in their origins. Ie. We started out with quarter horses that were combined with grade horses because those grade horses were good stock horses. They are combined with other things but always for a purpose. In my opinion, that has changed with the surge in halter horse popularity (some of which are not bred for their original breed purpose, the same goes for arabians).

From what very, very little I understand of traveler culture, I could see the gypsy horses having very closed studbooks and lower levels of cross breeding because horses would have been such a sign of status in that community.
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I don't think gypsy's are mutts. I think they may have more recent cross breeding close up in them due to their origins. I think they are no more or muts/grades then quarter horses in their origins. Ie. We started out with quarter horses that were combined with grade horses because those grade horses were good stock horses. They are combined with other things but always for a purpose. In my opinion, that has changed with the surge in halter horse popularity (some of which are not bred for their original breed purpose, the same goes for arabians).

From what very, very little I understand of traveler culture, I could see the gypsy horses having very closed studbooks and lower levels of cross breeding because horses would have been such a sign of status in that community.
Gypsy's are a cross between a pony and a draft horse that when speaking about a dog cross she referred to it as a mutt.
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Looks like it could be a mix of several breeds.
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see I was under the impression that many original gypsy stud books were kept under tight wraps and often kept within families. In part due to the secrecy of the gyspy/traveler society and due in part to prejudice/racism which culminates in a lack of trust. Thus its hard to know when they stopped crossing pony breeds with drafts and started to keep it just as "gypsy horses" as defined today. I may be completely wrong.

In which case, at what time ie after how many years does it stop being a cross breeding and start becoming a recognized breed. For example, with dogs people started out with golden doodles being a cross of a golden retriever with a poodle. Now they are crossing golden doodles with golden doodles which would make those puppies "pure golden doodles" but would remove some of the out crossing/hybrid vigor associated with and desired by the original pairing.

I think crossing fresians has become really popular lately. Which is not necessarily because they cross well but because they are valuable horses in most cases. They also have a really difficult registry process. Which means that people can at times make more money selling fresian cross foals out of unapproved fresian stallions. When their stallion would not be approved by the fresian horse association/ registry. Which is in my opinion, a bad basis for a breeding program. You can get some profoundly odd looking foals even when you combine great looking horses. You can also get some really strange looking stuff (and personality issues) when you combine poorly conformed animals. I personally, don't like it when people take animals with temperament faults (aggression, lack of bidibility etc) and breed them. When you combine temperament faults with poor conformation its a loosing combination. You can have a wonderfully put together horse but if its dangerous to be around its not worth being around.
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The thing that gets me is that they say they are breeding for height/larger saddlebreds. 1) Can't you find a TALL saddlebred, and breed it to TALL saddlebreds? 2) They are gaited horses, when you cross them obviously they are going to lose some of that natural ability. It's not like they are crossing them with tall TWH.

Just so you know, not all American Saddlebreds are "gaited horses". In fact, a great many of them are not, and have the standard walk, trot and canter. Then some American Saddlebreds are 5-gaited, which does include a natural trot too.

That Georgian Grande is awesome! I have seen some beautiful Georgian Grandes. I actually called them to ask if they would register Dragon, since he is the product of a Friesian stallion and a mare that was 3/4 American Saddlebred (NSH) but one parent has to be full Saddlebred. Anyway, lovely horses.
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If they are breeding for taller saddlebreds, why would they allow Gypsy Vanner crosses? Gypsys are usually on the shorter side right?
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I personally am not fond of a purebred Friesian. They all look alike and most move funny and either are pulling themselves around or have the hind step to far back. They look very akward to me.

That's cause Friesians are sausage-shaped hammocks with giraffe necks.
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A good friend of mine has two young georgian grandes - a filly and a gelding (3 & 5 respectively). They are beautiful horses with good, solid conformation, smooth gaits, and wonderful dispositions.
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