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  • Gypsy vanner friesian cross
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    12-16-2012, 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by churumbeque    
I personally am not fond of a purebred Friesian. They all look alike and most move funny and either are pulling themselves around or have the hind step to far back. They look very akward to me.
They're fancy looking, and if you want a lovely cart horse then they're great horses.
But I'm not a fan of them under saddle, I've seen very few that I like - as you said, they pull themselves around on their shoulders, and the hind legs are a mile behind. Extensions they just go higher.
I think if you want a friesian as a saddle prospect, you'd get one for loving the breed, not for wanting to be competitive in a discipline other than in harness.

As to the crosses, I have yet to see one that I like. Some of the friesian/wb/tb crosses look ok, but still nothing that I'd jump out of my skin and give my right arm for.
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    12-16-2012, 11:33 PM
Interesting. So are these cross-bred horses now worth $25,000? I'm asking because cross-bred dogs sure do command a high dollar price LOL
    12-16-2012, 11:36 PM
I would say so, BBBC - the friesian x's or gypsy x's I've seen around here go for a small fortune, because they're hairy with knee action and have 'friesian/gypsy' in their name.
Not my cup of tea, but if you want a pretty horse to love and take photos of, then they're lovely ;)
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    12-17-2012, 12:57 AM
Churumbeque said..

Isn't a Gypsy vanner a cross(mutt/grade)with a cutesy name? And usually a very expensive one at that.

I was wondering how long it would take, for someone to bring up Gypsies. As usual, I wasn't disappointed.

As I've said dozens of times on this forum, the vast majority of Gypsy owners, do NOT call their horses 'vanners'. That was a name made up by one American who brought some into the country, in the mid 90's. Gypsy families in the UK, to not approve of the name since it refers to what they consider 'half-leggers'. Those are poor quality horses and not considered breeding quality. Unfortunately the American who made up the name, did enormous advertising and the name seemed to have become the norm, for those in other breeds.

Gypsy horses/cobs, have been known and bred by the Gypsies and Travellers in the UK, for several hundred years. As with many breeds, they changed and evolved. Generations ago, when Gypsy peoples moved about, they had everything they owned on small flat carts (drays) and used smaller, lighter horses. When the Gypsy population started living in the huge and extremely heavy, living caravans, they needed very much larger and stronger animals. Their former horses were crossed with (most often) Shire type horses. In those days, Shires and Clydesdales, were all the same breed. Gypsy peoples loved a bit of flash and the black and white tobianos became favoured in the breed. I have known the breed almost all of my 72 years, but there are many much older than I, who remember their grandfathers breeding Gypsy Horses, generations before.

The true Gypsy Horse, is not new at all, but actually quite old, compared to many. And not all coloured horses in the UK, are necessarily Gypsies. Some are just recent crosses or coloured cobs of other types. Gypsies are also, no more expensive, than horses in many other breeds.

I am not in favour of crossbreeding them. I've seen quite a few and only a couple which I thought were rather nicely made. Same with Friesians. They are very differently made from most other breeds, and the majority of the time, do not make good crosses.

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    12-17-2012, 01:02 AM
I want fresian Appaloosa babies.
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    12-17-2012, 01:03 AM

That is what you get in return.
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    12-17-2012, 01:05 AM
Interesting to see its conformation when it matures. Pretty colour but.
    12-17-2012, 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Kayty    
Interesting to see its conformation when it matures. Pretty colour but.
It's conformation will be all it has when it grows up, pretty sure that is a grey foal. So let's hope it has the conformation to be worth having bred it without it being a "Kool KolorŪ"
    12-17-2012, 01:55 AM
This cross is repulsive to me.
    12-17-2012, 03:36 AM
Originally Posted by Failbhe    
I used to work at a vet clinic as a receptionist. When a new client made an appointment we would put their and their pet's information in the computer, and we did not have a 'labradoodle' or 'goldendoodle' option (only 'lab x' or 'poodle x') and OH DEAR LORD those people got upset. "NO, HE'S A PUREBRED!!!" Well ma'am, was his father a lab? Yes. Was his mother a poodle? Yes. Well then he's a CROSS.

I realize that all new breeds are a result of crossbreeding, but geez.
Then that will make the TB just another Arabian cross.
The Saddlebred and TWH just a Saddler cross (except that "Saddlers" were never an actual "breed"). Of course Saddles all trace back to the Pacers, so their all just some form of Pacer cross.
Every "breed" of domestic and feral horse on earth just some form of cross breed. There is no such thing as a "pure" breed. Just animals meeting the requirement of being classified as member of breed.

So "geez" why do we bother to call any of them a breed? .....because that's what they become....a breed. When a GG Stallion out of a Friesian/Saddle bred cross is bred with a mare our of a Friesian/Saddlebred cross the offspring is not a Friesian/Saddlebred cross. Neither of the parents were Fresian or Saddlebered, so you can't say they're a Friesian or Saddlebred cross. But they have the exact same breeding line as a Friesian/Saddlebred cross. That's why we have "breeds".

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