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        10-12-2012, 02:22 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    He has a very charming face!
    Well if you breed and a few years down the road you do need to sell look me up ;)
         
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        10-12-2012, 02:36 PM
      #12
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    I love your mare. She looks a real quality sort
    Has she foaled before? Her age might be a risk if she hasnt
    The only thing I have against using ex race TB's is that they have no record as riding horses (unless he's aready sired some that have been a success) so you can only go by temperament and conformation and some great horses have been bred this way so not a total 'no no' in my opinion.
    I am normally against people breeding at present with the market as it is but you do seem to have done a lot of thinking and have a 'plan'.
    One thing I do see is that in 4 or 5 years time there could well be a shortage of quality horses because its the responsible higher end breeders that are giving up or cutting back because they can't see if they will make any profit out of the job - and at the upper levels you have to do that. Its the bottom end 'throw a crappy stallion out in the pasture with 20 crappy mares who don't care what they make at sale that are still breeding. I can't see any good coming out of that.
         
        10-12-2012, 02:48 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
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    Has she foaled before? Her age might be a risk if she hasnt
    It looks like she has, but I don't know. She was passed from person to person for years, ended up at a horse traders, was purchased by a big guy(maybe 220#) for a mountain horse. This poor mare is barely 800lb, and he was piling a 60+ pounds of tack on top. I took a chance on her and ended up with a great mare I will be keeping her age in concideration.

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    The only thing I have against using ex race TB's is that they have no record as riding horses
    If it wasnt for the badly fractured, now fused sesamoid, I would ride him tomorrow and take him on trails in the spring, I'm so sure of his temperment. The lady who owns him breeds 2-3 mares a year, mostly thoroughbreds. She is very selective with breeding, and very careful about where the foals end up. We ride the race horses on the trails all winter and they race in the summer.

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    Its the bottom end 'throw a crappy stallion out in the pasture with 20 crappy mares who don't care what they make at sale that are still breeding. I can't see any good coming out of that.
    agree 100%, totally opposed to this kind of thing. That's why I took me 8 years to actually decide to breed, not wanting to be one of those people.
         
        10-12-2012, 03:01 PM
      #14
    Started
    Your mare looks nice and from what I see if the stud, he looks nice, too.

    I'm normally in the "buy, don't breed" camp but something about this situation makes me feel like breeding might not be a bad thing. You planned on raising a foal anyway, but unfortunately lost the one you purchased. You have a specific goal in mind, and honestly I haven't seen a lot of Anglo Arabs for sale/in rescue (I found an 11 year old mare when I was initially searching at a rescue but missed out on her by about a day). I don't often see Anglo-Arab foals for sale, either. You currently have a riding horse, so the years between now and when the baby is old enough to be ridden aren't a big deal. Since your mare might be getting close to retirement when the baby's old enough to be ridden, it's unlikely you'll be looking for a new home for the baby.
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        10-17-2012, 12:20 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Whats the TB's pedigree (names if I could). I completely here you on wanting a special horse. I had an OTTB mare who ironically looked like this stallion (thus why Im curious on pedigree) and the Arab stallion I had lined up looked similar to your mare just 16HH (yes PB Arabian russian breeding). I was looking for a Super Sport Horse, I too waited and debated knew if I was going to time was running out my Mare was 13 and maiden. Sadly she showed affects of being hit with steroids previously and didnt produce FSH (folical stimulating hormones, it gets the egg to release from the ovary). Which would have meant $5000 treatment or egg donor and find a surrorget. Either way couldnt and wouldnt do it, did I have the money YES but it was there for the pregnancy & foaling. Wish I had known sooner because I could have set aside the funds.

    Sadly I didnt get the foal I so dearly wanted that would have been either my or my sisters mount never leaving our hands. And I had to put my mare down just 2 years after that. Yes she was vet cleared to carry, just she deteriorated badly a year after I was looking to breed her. The damage to the leg never gets better with time, just worse.
         
        10-17-2012, 12:32 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Normally breeding is frowned upon by me, but I would do the exact same in your position... Just because while rescue horses can be diamonds in the rough I would love to have a little bit of my horse once he passes on in his off spring. So long as you keep the foal until financially it becomes impossible I think you should go for it. :)

    Also to whoever said OTTBs have no record as riding horses... They may be trained to run, but will definitely not need to be broke to saddle. Even my gelding will hear an alarm of some sort and revert to racing mode now and again, but even then he wont throw me. Just a very fun ride. ;)
         
        10-17-2012, 12:37 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Anglo's are AMAZING horses. Very much an in-demand cross, highly versatile, do-anything sorts. I have one, and he is awesome. Was competitive as a 4' jumper, was competitive as an eventer, has done a lot of dressage and show hack, pretty sure he's done some stock work, shown in conformation classes (though I don't think he did well, his confo is a bit dodgy). With me he has placed in eventing at a low level, and won and placed in showjumping (won his 75cm/2'6" class at a show earlier this year). If not for my lack of confidence he would be showing and winning at a higher level currently, at age 17.

    He'd be an awesome endurance horse if not for a dodgy pastern and his very very long back... he was bred by a knowledgeable breeder but somehow managed to come out all awkward. Always, there are duds.

    I am TOTALLY in love with the cross and might consider breeding one from my TB mare if I can find a tall enough stallion. Great cross, easily marketable, highly versatile... truly, with all the thought you've put into this, I say GO FOR IT.
         
        10-17-2012, 01:01 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Ladybird is looking really good. Iremember when you first got her and the pictures on another forum.
    Anglo Arabs are great there a re 2 here that we use to do everything with.
    They can be 'Hot" but what would you expect from this cross? Theya re versatile and I ahve yet to see one that was not functional.
    One of the best crosses IMO that one can make and a natural one at that. Shalom
         
        10-17-2012, 01:17 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Thanks everyone:) as far as the cross being hot, great! I prefer hot horses, I love riding something forward and sensitive, which is why I have an Arab:) the only issue I have with thoroughbreds and Arabs are the crazy ones, but with my mare and the stallion both having such amazing minds, I don't think I can go wrong.
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        10-17-2012, 03:38 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Not all of them are, Blue! Mine is a right lazy slug. I know some very very quiet Anglo's. I also know some completely mental Anglo's, and some in-betweeners.

    Monty has his moments, he's very bi-polar actually... it's like having 2 totally different horses rolled into the one package. One day he'll be a lazy old bugger and the next he'll be so full of himself I can barely control him. He's bolted with me a couple of times and taken off with me more times than I can count, but not for a while. He bucks sometimes when he gets TOOOOOOOOOO excited but nothing I can't handle... I think he's bucked me off once, thrown me at a gallop once, and then dropped me at the base of countless fences, all through my own mistakes. His "I'm too excited and just HAVE to buck and run fast" fits never unseat me. He's thrown in some pretty epic spooks, including several 180-degree spins (with me bareback, in slippery jods, on a wet horse with a slippery coat/back), all of which I've stuck on easy enough, so his behaviour isn't an issue, but if I screw up, I'm almost guaranteed to eat dirt.

    I think the heat of the cross depends on the horses used. If you use a highly sensitive TB and a highly sensitive Arab then you're asking for trouble! I like horses that are generally reliable but have some get up and go when you ask for it... making my boy nearly perfect because he'll fall asleep in the start box and then wake up with a squeeze and a click and be in full flight in 2 seconds flat and less than 3 strides. I can heat him up with halt-to-canter and walk-to-canter transitions, or chill him out with walk-halt-walk-trot-walk-halt rinse repeat. Or, more quickly, I can heat him up instantly by giving him a tap with a dressage whip! That puts him straight on his toes. Only complaint I have is that it can take him a long time to chill out once I've heated him up.

    Monty is amazing... totally versatile do-anything kind of horse.

    ......also........


    ....do you want my TB? At this rate she's looking like being something else for sensitivity and forwardness. Not crazy, in actual fact she's a fairly quiet horse, but by god does she respond to the tiniest aids! She's not broke yet because she's 2 and also because I'm struggling to find a breaker who is tactful enough for her. She doesn't cope well with discipline. Took weeks for me to be able to so much as tell her 'no' without a huge panic attack.
         

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