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    01-04-2013, 04:40 PM
  #21
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Quick reply for now but will come back later for more. I am a Lusitano breeder and have also cross bred to other breeds. Every registry creates a "name" in order to create a market for what would otherwise just be a "grade" horse. The Lusitano is a hot blood and so is an Andalusian, although the Lusitano tends to be "hotter" than the Andy's. Crossing with a TB still creates a hotblood so it's just a name. Also, if ya'll are truly confused about the term "warmblood", google it and research history. A warmblood is a "mixed" breed, originating from mixing draft and hot. I could go on all day about attributes of Iberian horses and Iberian crosses but don't have time at the moment. Oh! Amost forgot the original question...Iberian horses do grow slowly. At 3 years old, they still have a lot of growing to do. Many don't stop growing until 9 years of age. First foal of a maiden mare might be smaller but if the parents are 15.3 to 16.1, the offspring should end up there too.
     
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    01-04-2013, 04:50 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by RunSlideStop    
Great info! So for the sake if argument/discussion, would a draft bred to anything produce a WB? If so, what?

Also, I am confused on the difference between an warmblood and a sporthorse. Perhaps draft/TBs are sporthorses, which is yet another type?

Thanks everyone! Glad to learn about the baroque horses when I can :)
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A draft bred to anything will always be a draft cross, and never be a warmblood.

A sporthorse is a horse registered with a fancy registry for horses unable to get registered in any other registry (and I know I'm going to get flamed for that). Sporthorse registries for the most part exist with a large membership only in NA. It means squat to me as IMO they will accept anything with 4 legs and a uterus into their studbook.

I agree again with BCTazzie that the measurement on the stally is wrong.
I'm also doubting him being PRE. PRE is reserved for those with a PRE passport and to be a PRE stallion they must be in the studbook. I don't see a registration number for him being advertised anywhere, which is req'd to search pedigrees and offspring with the PRE. As well with the amount of outbreeding he is doing, he could not be registered as a PRE now anyways..
Looks like he has good Andalusian breeding though! Just not *technically* a PRE.
     
    01-04-2013, 04:56 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by sinodacevera    
Quick reply for now but will come back later for more. I am a Lusitano breeder and have also cross bred to other breeds. Every registry creates a "name" in order to create a market for what would otherwise just be a "grade" horse. The Lusitano is a hot blood and so is an Andalusian, although the Lusitano tends to be "hotter" than the Andy's. Crossing with a TB still creates a hotblood so it's just a name. Also, if ya'll are truly confused about the term "warmblood", google it and research history. A warmblood is a "mixed" breed, originating from mixing draft and hot. I could go on all day about attributes of Iberian horses and Iberian crosses but don't have time at the moment. Oh! Amost forgot the original question...Iberian horses do grow slowly. At 3 years old, they still have a lot of growing to do. Many don't stop growing until 9 years of age. First foal of a maiden mare might be smaller but if the parents are 15.3 to 16.1, the offspring should end up there too.
I've seen some research that calls the two breeds warmbloods as they were originally bred from a mix of draft horse and oriental and some that call them hot bloods - though one of these sites also called the welsh mountain pony a hot blood which is definitely not the case
It will be interesting to get another viewpoint and some opinions on the breed from someone actually breeding them
The new Sport horse prefix is just a label to attach to a set of mixed breed horses that don't really fit in anywhere else, it replaced the Hunter Improvement Society in the UK where most of our top show horses/ponies are mixed breed
     
    01-04-2013, 05:29 PM
  #24
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THis is a link to the Sport horse Breeding society of GB.
There is a grading process for mares and stallions and there are warmbloods as well as TB and Irish Draft. However breeding a crappy mare to a top class stallion does not a wonderful horse make!!!
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Ireland has its own Sport horse register
     
    01-04-2013, 08:43 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by sinodacevera    
Quick reply for now but will come back later for more. I am a Lusitano breeder and have also cross bred to other breeds. Every registry creates a "name" in order to create a market for what would otherwise just be a "grade" horse. The Lusitano is a hot blood and so is an Andalusian, although the Lusitano tends to be "hotter" than the Andy's. Crossing with a TB still creates a hotblood so it's just a name. Also, if ya'll are truly confused about the term "warmblood", google it and research history. A warmblood is a "mixed" breed, originating from mixing draft and hot. I could go on all day about attributes of Iberian horses and Iberian crosses but don't have time at the moment. Oh! Amost forgot the original question...Iberian horses do grow slowly. At 3 years old, they still have a lot of growing to do. Many don't stop growing until 9 years of age. First foal of a maiden mare might be smaller but if the parents are 15.3 to 16.1, the offspring should end up there too.
Thanks for this! That's interesting about the first foal being smaller, but it would explain if she doesn't grow too much bigger :P It's good to know that she may have some more growing to do!

And just a response to the WB debate, I know they aren't really a warmblood. I was just referring to the name. People who know the breed better than I told me that they are slow growers, and I just needed some confirmation :) All the baby Andys and Andy crosses seemed bigger than her at her age. I was never really into the Spanish horses until I got her, so I am trying to learn more about the breed specifics. Thanks all!
     
    01-04-2013, 11:09 PM
  #26
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Ha! Great discussion about the definition of a Warmblood . I am not a breed expert, but I will add this to the discussion:

In the UK the term Warmblood is only ever used to refer to the breeds identified by Anabel, and no-one would ever think to refer to a TB crossed with a native or draft as 'warmblood'.

When I arrived on this forum and in Canada I was initially very confused to see so many Warmbloods talked about that were patently NOT Warmbloods in the UK use of the word. Then it was explained to me that in much of North America the term Warmblood is used to describe a TB cross.
     
    01-05-2013, 01:22 AM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
Ha! Great discussion about the definition of a Warmblood . I am not a breed expert, but I will add this to the discussion:

In the UK the term Warmblood is only ever used to refer to the breeds identified by Anabel, and no-one would ever think to refer to a TB crossed with a native or draft as 'warmblood'.

When I arrived on this forum and in Canada I was initially very confused to see so many Warmbloods talked about that were patently NOT Warmbloods in the UK use of the word. Then it was explained to me that in much of North America the term Warmblood is used to describe a TB cross.
I had the same confusion. In Australia, it's usually kids of clueless folk who try to tell people that their clydie cross is a warmblood. They get laughed off.
It seems to be very much a North American 'thing' to call everything a warmblood if it's not a pure breed.
     
    01-05-2013, 01:51 AM
  #28
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
I had the same confusion. In Australia, it's usually kids of clueless folk who try to tell people that their clydie cross is a warmblood. They get laughed off.
It seems to be very much a North American 'thing' to call everything a warmblood if it's not a pure breed.

This drives me batty! I have had people ask about Flirt's breeding and when I say he is Clydie x WB (holsteiner) they respond "oh, so he's a warmblood!" HALF WB people, HALF!
     
    01-05-2013, 03:16 AM
  #29
Weanling
My horse is half warmblood (Oldenberg) and half andalusian! Can I call him an Iberian Warmblood since it's less of a mouthful lol?

His sire was a PRE Andalusian (sire, I have a copy of his papers, and various other things, so I can offically register my boy as being Half Andalusian with IALHA eventually), who was 16.1hh. So taller andys exist, just aren't the norm.
     
    01-05-2013, 12:16 PM
  #30
Foal
Okay, I'm back. Just to kinda "firm up" a basic understanding of the Lusitano/Andalusian, the Andalusian/Iberian horse breed registry split sixty or so years ago. Until that political event, all Iberian horses were "Andalusians". The PRE and the Lusitano are similar but after all these years, their usefulness has dictated how they were bred. (So they do have some true differences) That being said, competitive dressage is affecting how breeders have altered the two "breeds" in the last 10 years or so as they try to compete with dressage warmbloods. Some of the baroque attributes are being lost with that effort but credit needs to be given to the PRE and Lusitano "mother registries" for stictly maintaining stallion and mare approval standards. For a foal to be registered, both parents need to be "approved" at a minimum age of 3 yrs. Otherwise, a "purebred" foal is considered "grade". In the US, this standard has been largely ignored and anything and everything with a uterus and testes can be registered with the IALHA as long as you can pull a chunk of mane and get a dna sample registered. A "purebred" Andalusian/PRE/Lusitano is just going to breed "junk" if quality is not controlled by strict approval standards. (Similar to German warmblood approvals) So, "we/Americans" create all sorts of registries in order to work around the standards handed down through centuries of careful breeding. "Iberian Warmblood", "American Warmblood" (Draft crosses, usually), "Iberian Sporthorse", (fill in the blank Sporthorse). Even Friesians are now being registered and branded "American Warmblood", crossed with any breed to produce another "American Warmblood". Check out the approval requirements sometime...To finish, my Lusitanos are approved for breeding or they don't breed. The other part of the thread; temperament? Lusitanos are hotter than Andalusians (generally). They are smart, responsive, and don't tolerate gross motor skill deficiencies in humans. They are well suited for dressage and "sportscar' types of sports for that reason. Not a hop on bareback and head out into the woods kind of horse. Work on your riding skills and you'll find no finer horse to ride. A true thrill. If you don't ride well, don't get one. Nuff said...
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