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  • Iberian warmblood temperament
  • Draft iberian cross

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    01-05-2013, 01:29 PM
  #31
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Originally Posted by sinodacevera    
Okay, I'm back. Just to kinda "firm up" a basic understanding of the Lusitano/Andalusian, the Andalusian/Iberian horse breed registry split sixty or so years ago. Until that political event, all Iberian horses were "Andalusians". The PRE and the Lusitano are similar but after all these years, their usefulness has dictated how they were bred. (So they do have some true differences) That being said, competitive dressage is affecting how breeders have altered the two "breeds" in the last 10 years or so as they try to compete with dressage warmbloods. Some of the baroque attributes are being lost with that effort but credit needs to be given to the PRE and Lusitano "mother registries" for stictly maintaining stallion and mare approval standards. For a foal to be registered, both parents need to be "approved" at a minimum age of 3 yrs. Otherwise, a "purebred" foal is considered "grade". In the US, this standard has been largely ignored and anything and everything with a uterus and testes can be registered with the IALHA as long as you can pull a chunk of mane and get a dna sample registered. A "purebred" Andalusian/PRE/Lusitano is just going to breed "junk" if quality is not controlled by strict approval standards. (Similar to German warmblood approvals) So, "we/Americans" create all sorts of registries in order to work around the standards handed down through centuries of careful breeding. "Iberian Warmblood", "American Warmblood" (Draft crosses, usually), "Iberian Sporthorse", (fill in the blank Sporthorse). Even Friesians are now being registered and branded "American Warmblood", crossed with any breed to produce another "American Warmblood". Check out the approval requirements sometime...To finish, my Lusitanos are approved for breeding or they don't breed. The other part of the thread; temperament? Lusitanos are hotter than Andalusians (generally). They are smart, responsive, and don't tolerate gross motor skill deficiencies in humans. They are well suited for dressage and "sportscar' types of sports for that reason. Not a hop on bareback and head out into the woods kind of horse. Work on your riding skills and you'll find no finer horse to ride. A true thrill. If you don't ride well, don't get one. Nuff said...
Thank you! All of this fascinates me! It intrigues me so much that I'm going to ask you a few more questions :) How does the PRE/Lusitano breeders (who actually care about preserving the breed) feel about the cross breeding? How about the breeding of non-PRE Andys?

Even though I have a cross, I am not a fan of cross breeding and slapping a new "fancy" label on it to sell it. The horses are mass produced with very little quality control all in the name of money. I wish breeders would have stricter guidelines when it came to what their stud covers. But, I guess it's all in the name of the game...I mean, people pay out the wazzoo for Mini Australian Golden Doodles now, don't they?
     
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    01-05-2013, 01:34 PM
  #32
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Oh, and I am a decent rider...I've ridden babies for my trainer, and re-trained my OTTB. I just want to get the basics done myself and then I'll send her away to be professionally trained. Probably a dressage trainer since I probably won't be keeping her due to her size :(
     
    01-05-2013, 03:43 PM
  #33
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mustbemonroe, Lusitanos and PRE's are quite expensive, especially if you want one that has some decent training. Therefore, people cross to be able to afford "something close to Iberian". Cross breeding should be done carefully and the mare is extremely important as physical type should be similar. If the type isn't similar, conformation will suffer, then temperament will also suffer when the "strangely conformed" horse is asked to perform in a manner that it's structure won't allow. That being said, a mare with an excellent temperament and good conformation should be a good match and the outcome can be delightful. My Lusitanos are imported and I have compromised much of the "important" aspects of living in order to afford them so I do try to preserve the quality I hold dearly. And, I try to be practical with my horses in order to keep costs down, hopefully to be able to supply a quality pure Lusitano that will be affordable to "someone"? And, you do sound like you are surely a good partner to your growing prodigy! Congratulations and enjoy!!!
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    01-05-2013, 10:25 PM
  #34
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Originally Posted by sinodacevera    
mustbemonroe, Lusitanos and PRE's are quite expensive, especially if you want one that has some decent training. Therefore, people cross to be able to afford "something close to Iberian". Cross breeding should be done carefully and the mare is extremely important as physical type should be similar. If the type isn't similar, conformation will suffer, then temperament will also suffer when the "strangely conformed" horse is asked to perform in a manner that it's structure won't allow. That being said, a mare with an excellent temperament and good conformation should be a good match and the outcome can be delightful. My Lusitanos are imported and I have compromised much of the "important" aspects of living in order to afford them so I do try to preserve the quality I hold dearly. And, I try to be practical with my horses in order to keep costs down, hopefully to be able to supply a quality pure Lusitano that will be affordable to "someone"? And, you do sound like you are surely a good partner to your growing prodigy! Congratulations and enjoy!!!

Thanks!

I agree, the purpose of breeding should be to make a superior animal...but unfortunately, people (like the guy who bred the filly I have) just have a mare sitting there and want a baby. It was halfway through the mare's pregnancy he decided he didn't really want a baby, and that's how I get her.

I just hate seeing (out here, anyways) that the crosses are becoming more prevalent than PREs or pure Lusitanos. Yes, they are more affordable, but it also seems like it will drive down the value of a truly well bred pure bred animal.
     
    01-06-2013, 12:20 AM
  #35
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Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
Ha! Great discussion about the definition of a Warmblood . I am not a breed expert, but I will add this to the discussion:

In the UK the term Warmblood is only ever used to refer to the breeds identified by Anabel, and no-one would ever think to refer to a TB crossed with a native or draft as 'warmblood'.

When I arrived on this forum and in Canada I was initially very confused to see so many Warmbloods talked about that were patently NOT Warmbloods in the UK use of the word. Then it was explained to me that in much of North America the term Warmblood is used to describe a TB cross.
Around where I live, as I'm not that far from Spruce Meadows, a TB crossed with a draft is known as a poor man's warmblood. Only those who truly don't know the difference call them warmbloods.
     

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