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        05-18-2010, 12:28 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
    I Think AQHA has. I was reading in their rule book that's online a few days ago and it actually states in their new rule book that ANY horse with Impressive in it's bloodline that is bred, or intended to be bred MUST be tested for the gene and will not be approved for breeding by AQHA unless it comes out neg. If a horse with Impressive lines is bred and not tested the offspring is ineligible for registration until a neg test is submitted. Also breeders who breed/accidentally breed a horse with the hypp gene are subject to loosing their breeder recognition and they will no longer register ANY horse they breed.
    I am not sure how you are interpreting the rules but this is not quite correct. AQHA requires that all Impressive bred horses to be tested for HyPP. The only ones they will NOT register is H/H they still will register N/H. They then put the results on the horses papers. There is no requirement that you can not breed N/H horses or even older H/H horses however the resulting foals but be either N/N or N/H
         
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        05-18-2010, 12:36 PM
      #12
    Showing
    Thanks for clearing that up, nrh.

    I knew about that particular ruling, but it appeared from Cinny's post that they'd changed it to refuse breeding to those horses.

    So the ruling hasn't changed at all, based on my previous understanding of it.

    I'm not a QH person, so I'm not usually up to date on the most recent rulings by AQHA.
         
        05-18-2010, 01:15 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    I am not sure how you are interpreting the rules but this is not quite correct. AQHA requires that all Impressive bred horses to be tested for HyPP. The only ones they will NOT register is H/H they still will register N/H. They then put the results on the horses papers. There is no requirement that you can not breed N/H horses or even older H/H horses however the resulting foals but be either N/N or N/H
    This was the last ruling I had heard about.
         
        05-18-2010, 02:59 PM
      #14
    Trained
    That is the rule which went into effect jan of 07 and has not changed. Not sure if it will either.
         
        05-18-2010, 03:44 PM
      #15
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by somekindalexus    
    IMO, AQHA's people are a lot more friendly... but that also depends on where you show... The APHA people in the Seattle area were always very rude and thought they were better than everyone else. Same here in Indiana.
    AQHA's have always been friendly, the association is organized, and I believe there is a higher level of competition.
    In florida that's opposite, AQHA people are rude and snappy,
    Allof the APHA people are really nice!
         
        05-18-2010, 04:16 PM
      #16
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    Originally Posted by Junebug    
    In florida that's opposite, AQHA people are rude and snappy,
    Allof the APHA people are really nice!
    it's all opinion.
         
        05-19-2010, 10:09 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    Not sure how much easier AQHA could make resisting a foal. When the stallion owner sends in the stallion breeding report which can be done on line AQHA sends out a registration certificate which has all the info on it so all you have to do as a stallion owner is make sure it is correct and sign it and send it to the mare owner. Not much to that. Then all the mare owner has to do is fill in the date of foaling names they would like color and markings a few pictures and sing and send in. Not sure how much easier that can be and the cost is not at all bad. What $25.

    If the foal was by shipped semen or an ET then you need DNA but again not hard. Not even that expensive.

    Can not speak for APHA as I do not breed paints.
    CAHR, all the owner does it fill out the application with the sire and ****, fill it in, get a DNA test, send it back.
    There's no stallion report, no need for signatures from the stallion owner, plus the DNA is done right from the get go, you don't have to pay for it later if you plan on breeding AND you know what you're getting (I've seen lots of QH's with papers that were wrong/not theirs).
    Doing the DNA test WITH the foal application cuts out the need for stallion reports, signatures, and cost later. Just seems much simpler.
         
        05-19-2010, 10:56 PM
      #18
    Trained
    The thing is that with that extra step it protects the stallion owners. First they can double check that everything is correct. It also give them something to hold if all the fees are not paid. The only time that DNA typing is not required to register a foal in on site breeding. All shipped semen and ETs must be DNA typed and parentage verified before they can be registered.

    I personally would not want to take the step with the stallion breeding report away for one simple fact. With shipped semen if there is no stallion breeding report and the stallion owner does not have to sing off on the registration certificate then there is very little from a mare owner from splitting the shipped semen and breeding more then one mare AND getting all the foals registered. They would all DNA type by that stallion and if no one at the registry knows what is up they will end up registering the foals and I would bet that the stallion owner would never find out or it would take a bit if they pulled get records every so often.
         
        05-19-2010, 11:08 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Yeah, I guess you have a point.
    Although, I think you'd either be really brave or really stupid to try that because 1 - you drop the semen count and there's less of chance of a mare getting pregnant in the first place and 2 - It's really not that hard for a stallion owner to track his stallion's get and 3 - if the stallion owner has the receipts for said bred mare and no one else, you'd be itching to get banned from AQHA and get charged.
    However... People are humans. We do tend to do stupid things.
    I guess there's really no "right" way.
         
        05-20-2010, 09:11 AM
      #20
    Trained
    You know mow much semen I have trashed around here over the years?? Most stallion owners will send 2 doses and I normally only use one.

    If you are breeding to a stallion who has 70+ foals a year I wonder how many of those stallion owners really check get reports through AQHA?? Then actually would go back and double check each one?? No stallion has 100% conception rates with shipped semen so you can not really just count numbers. I just could see people doing it and once the foal is registered I am not sure that is a lot a stallion owner could do at least through AQHA.

    Plus I just like having that control. It gives me something to hold if the mare owner has not paid all the fees and expenses.
         

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