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post #131 of 153 Old 06-13-2011, 10:57 AM
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As an FYI to anyone potentially receiving misinformation, keeping a foundered horse THIN is completely incorrect. There is zero health benefit in keeping a horse underweight for founder as opposed to a proper weight. And if she foundered on grass, it is completely beyond me why you would half starve her as a supposed "treatment" and yet have her ON grass. It doesn't matter that she's "healed", if she's foundered once on grass, you can be pretty darn sure it's going to happen again, regardless of how skinny you force her to be. Horses don't need to be fat to founder, it can happen to ANY size of horse if they don't handle the sugars in grass and grain well.

I have never in my life heard of a vet suggesting keep a horse "skinny" as an effective treatment plan. They shouldn't be obese or fat, and that's about it. You're only putting more strain on her body by keeping her so thin, and likely to trigger another attack, especially if she's on grass and chowing down to replace her lost calories.

And yes, I've dealt extensively with founder/laminitis and known plenty of people who have dealt with it extensively.

SHe did not founder on grass she foundered on a dumb barn owner feeding an 800-900 lb horse a giant coffee can of grain 2x a day.

This happened 4 years ago. We tried many different options to return her hooves back to a normal state including natural trims along with soaking and oiling... and supplements etc etc before we (a DVM !!!! And I) decided to remove weight from her. The removal of the weight worked... everything else we tried did not. She is 100% fine and has been for the past two years.
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post #132 of 153 Old 06-13-2011, 11:24 AM
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SHe did not founder on grass she foundered on a dumb barn owner feeding an 800-900 lb horse a giant coffee can of grain 2x a day.

This happened 4 years ago. We tried many different options to return her hooves back to a normal state including natural trims along with soaking and oiling... and supplements etc etc before we (a DVM !!!! And I) decided to remove weight from her. The removal of the weight worked... everything else we tried did not. She is 100% fine and has been for the past two years.
It appears you've removed weight from the others you pictured, too, so how did they founder? That's really unfortunate and I hope they're all ok now.
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post #133 of 153 Old 06-13-2011, 12:31 PM
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Chanti is a Pintaloosa.
Pintaloosa is not a breed.
You mean Chanti is a grade horse that is a cross between an Appaloosa and a paint/pinto.
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post #134 of 153 Old 06-13-2011, 12:54 PM
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Pintaloosa is not a breed.
You mean Chanti is a grade horse that is a cross between an Appaloosa and a paint/pinto.
That's getting a little petty. Sure, it isn't a breed, it's a cross, but really, did it require mentioning in this particular thread?

As to Appaloosas being a stock horse. If we look back a hundred and fifty or so years ago and think of what a spotted horse might have been used for, I think you'll find that they were pretty much jacks of all trades. They were likely used to hunt off of, pack belongings, the occasional match race, etc. Basically, the beginnings of most North American breeds.
As the Appaloosa was developed, they were bred in the image of what people wanted. Which in general seems to be stock horses.
As far as breed improvement goes, the infusion of QH/Tb blood has improved conformation, performance and aesthetics. This ought to be considered breed improvement.
While the foundation Appaloosas were the start of a breed, horses should be bred to improve upon former generations. I believe outcrossing has done just this.
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That's getting a little petty. Sure, it isn't a breed, it's a cross, but really, did it require mentioning in this particular thread?
Made up designer breed names happen to be one of my pet peeves. Pintaloosa is on the top of my list of annoyances. It happens to combine two breeds that I truly see no reason to mix.

So, to answer your question, yes, it needed mentioning on this particular thread since this is where it came up.
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It appears you've removed weight from the others you pictured, too, so how did they founder? That's really unfortunate and I hope they're all ok now.
Not to mention that regardless of the cause of founder, once a horse has had laminitis, it's still crucial to keep them off the green grass....
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Made up designer breed names happen to be one of my pet peeves. Pintaloosa is on the top of my list of annoyances. It happens to combine two breeds that I truly see no reason to mix.

So, to answer your question, yes, it needed mentioning on this particular thread since this is where it came up.
For a lot of people, they use those terms for convenience sake. It's easier to say "pintaloosa" than appaloosa/pinto cross. Kind of like a lot of people use "don't" rather than "do not". The shorter version is generally easily understood.
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Pintaloosa is not a contraction.
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and that matters how?
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You just said it was.
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