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    06-08-2008, 06:46 PM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by farmpony84
Of course the qh is a breed that was put together by horses that had unknown breeding... I think it started somewhere in the 1600's when they bred the english thourobreds to native american horses and arabians...

Then as they moved outwest they used horses like steel dust and traveler that were unkown breeding, peter mccue was a thourobred. The Thoroughbred race horse Three Bars, alive in the early years of the aqha, is recognized by the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame as one of the significant foundation sires for the Quarter Horse breed. Other significant Thoroughbred sires seen in early aqha pedigrees include King Plaudit, Blob, Top Deck, Vandy and Truckle Feature.

So really the American Quarter Horse is absolutely the definitiion of an American! LOL - it's a mixing bowl of breeds. My horse, Riley has Man O' War in his bloodlines... and he's as qh as they come! So anyway, I do think "they" the people who think they are refining the breeds go a little to far when they do what they do... but ... I don't know... I'm still a sucker for the old style foundation ranch horses... and I like the newer styles somewhat, not the tb-looking ones. To me, when the have those behavioral traits and that look, they just arent' qh's anymore. They're TBs.

I know this discussion was about Appy's but I don't know a ton about that breed so I couldnt go into a big rant about the history of it......
Coming from the hunter world I really like the newer qhs. The foundation ones aren't exactly my favorite...

EDIT: Anyway, personally, I really like the inversion of other breeds into making a specific breed better. For those that don't want to they don't have to... I know there are a few farms that are dedicated to breeding foundation horses, whether they be appies or qhs
     
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    06-09-2008, 12:39 AM
  #12
Yearling
The problem with that is many of the foundation looking appies aren't marketable. I'm not saying that all of them are ugly, I've seen some pretty looking ones, but the majority just look sad. Why would you breed something that isn't guaranteed a nice life just because you can?[/quote]

Alot of horses arent marketable. Look at the market as it is now. I mean, alot of people are trying to sell show horses off the national circuit and they are wondering why that they havent been purchased yet. Its because the horse market is horrible right now. Horses are going for peanuts, as I am sure everyone on here knows. Some people think that the Appaloosas look "sad" but alot of people see them for who they are. Its just like how some people are still breeding to the Impressive bloodline, even with the hypp going around. People still keep THOSE horses alive. And they seem to think it is worth it. It all depends on the person I guess. You can see alot of horses here in the U.S.A. Right now because of too much breeding. People are just breeding to breed right now, and its sickening. But so now people are trying to turn away horses that look ugly and bullheaded and trying to make them look more built like the Quarter Horses with the Appy color? Make changes but within reason. Don't go changing them into the Quarter Horse breed. Make a improved Appaloosa breed, but not all out new.
     
    06-09-2008, 03:57 AM
  #13
Weanling
It's not just the horse market that sucks right now, it's all of the economy which isn't anything new to anyone. I don't agree with cross breeding, as I said in my prior post, and I don't agree with the ever popular concept of "breeding for color". When I hear "Foundation Appaloosa" I instantly think big head, poor feet, mucus filled eyes, barely there tail/mane and short (14.3 hh). But again, i'm not a fan of the breed so i'm always going to have a sort of "bias" if you will. Same goes for Arabians, I can't stand them. I don't find them the least bit pretty and they don't look like horses IMO. To me, an Arabian looks like a big, high strung Doberman Pincher dog.

Has the breed standard gone too far for the Appaloosa? Show me a breed that it hasn't so far. You have groups of people getting together going "hey i've got a great idea, let's breed your Arabian stallion to my Percheron mare and see if we can get a nice dressage horse!".....
     
    06-09-2008, 09:41 AM
  #14
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by Curly_Horse_CMT
The problem with that is many of the foundation looking appies aren't marketable. I'm not saying that all of them are ugly, I've seen some pretty looking ones, but the majority just look sad. Why would you breed something that isn't guaranteed a nice life just because you can?
Alot of horses arent marketable. Look at the market as it is now. I mean, alot of people are trying to sell show horses off the national circuit and they are wondering why that they havent been purchased yet. Its because the horse market is horrible right now. Horses are going for peanuts, as I am sure everyone on here knows. Some people think that the Appaloosas look "sad" but alot of people see them for who they are. Its just like how some people are still breeding to the Impressive bloodline, even with the hypp going around. People still keep THOSE horses alive. And they seem to think it is worth it. It all depends on the person I guess. You can see alot of horses here in the U.S.A. Right now because of too much breeding. People are just breeding to breed right now, and its sickening. But so now people are trying to turn away horses that look ugly and bullheaded and trying to make them look more built like the Quarter Horses with the Appy color? Make changes but within reason. Don't go changing them into the Quarter Horse breed. Make a improved Appaloosa breed, but not all out new.[/quote]

OUCH. I don't think you know anything about the Impressive line or HYPP for you to make that comment. Impressive horses are very smart, quick learners with great attitudes. That's why people keep them around and for you to say "HYPP going around" you act like it's a virus or something. It's not, it's a genetic disorder and if you breed a negative horse to a negative horse, you can NOT pass it on. I have an Impressive bred horse, Impressive on both ends, the parents were tested and do not carry the gene, that means mine does not have it and will never get it. So for you to say people keep breeding THOSE horses... that's just an unfair uneducated statement.
     
    06-09-2008, 11:39 AM
  #15
Yearling
Impressive bloodlines

I do know about the Impressive bloodline....my one Quarter horse mare that I have currently is a direct decendent of the horse and I have known many others with the same bloodline. All I was saying was I was agreeing with people that keep them around, but people with the horses that have tested positive for the disease have kept them around because they wanted to, but because they had to. I was just trying to make a point, not to be mean or anything like that. I don't know any horse that has tested positive for the disese at all but I have heard about horses that have it and what people do to keep them going so they have the most comfortable life possible.
     
    06-09-2008, 12:00 PM
  #16
Trained
My mare is hypp N/H, and there's another horse at the barn who is also NH.
I'm keeping Vega so she doesn't go to someone who wants to use her as a broodmare and produce more positive foals. I have done a lot of research and I personally find the disease ugly, but do you really blame the people for keeping they hypp positive horses? Maybe they just love their horses personality too much to give them away, maybe they didn't know at the time of their purchase that their horse was positive.

The day people could care less about an animal making them tons of money, I feel, is the day that hypp disappears.

Just my 2 cents though.
     
    06-09-2008, 12:04 PM
  #17
Super Moderator
Like Appy said.... It's a matter of smart breeding. That desease could completely be abolished by breeding smartly. The impressive line is a good line and should be saved without completely wiping it out. ... by smart breeding.

And to be perfectly honost.... mares can be fixed. If you have a stud w/ the desease it should be gelded... a positive mare should be fixed... no more accidental breedings........
     
    06-09-2008, 12:32 PM
  #18
Trained
I know mares can be fixed, but that's a couple thousand dollars I just don't have laying around.

If my mare is kept with all geldings and I plan on having her until the day she dies, I don't see why I have to spay her. Yes I know it will stop any unwanted breedings from happening, but if I don't have the money to do it, I think she's fine how she is.
     
    06-09-2008, 12:43 PM
  #19
Super Moderator
Yeah but appy, you are a RESPONSIBLE owner. AND you are keeping your mare... I don't foresee any accidental breedings on your part... I'm talking about those other people....... not responsible people like you!
     
    06-09-2008, 12:54 PM
  #20
Trained
Ohh ok :) Sorry for that misunderstanding. It's the heat and humidity. It's terrible.

Talking about irresponsible people, the people who bred Vega's dam to Impress me Shanon are, IMO irresponsible. Impress Me Shanon is NH so he has a 50% of producing a positive baby if bred with a NN horse. Vega's dam was NN. So 11 months later little Vega was born. She apparently shown no signs of hypp so the never got her tested!
50% chance and you're not going to get her tested?!
I couldn't believe it when she told me that. Some people ya know
     

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