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post #41 of 71 Old 04-08-2013, 06:12 PM
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It is known that at one time the continental shelf on all the continents was above water. This means one could cross the Bering Sea without water craft. That is likely when Asian horses crossed the Bering Sea, especially as pack animals. People move to new areas for a variety of reasons. One major difference between the Nez Perce horses and the Spanish was that these little horses could gallop all day long and also did an easy gait that has come to be known as the appaloosa shuffle. The history of north america has been badly distorted in the white man's quest to prove superiority. Who is rapidly destroying this planet - the "superior" white man, not the Indians.
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Faceman, it was the early American cavalry to turned draft stallions in with the Indian horses to get rid of the shuffle and create a heavier slower breed. They only partly succeeded.
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Ghengis Khan and his descendants conqured much of the known world on the backs of the Mongol horse. From China to Eastern Europe . those Icelandic horses look a lot like those the mongols use today.
Without hard factual evidence there is no way to logically dispute the fact that horses were first introduced back to the Americas by the Spainish.
Oral history of the Native American Tribes gives us insight into their introduction to the modern horse. Shalom
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nothing I have said anywhere has anythnig to do with 10,000 years ago. I dont know why you keep harping on it.
I said that the Nez perce horses came from Asian trade or contact prior to a huge influx of Spanish horses. When were the mongols tryign to conquer the world ? 12-1300 hundred ish ? Chinese were saiing around in 14 hundred. Currents would carry them to pacific northwest. If all these horses came from spain, Why didnt all the advanced breeding horse cultures come from mexican area ?
There isnt really any written record one way or another. That I am aware of until Lewis and clark arrived. There was some exploration in the area earlier by Europeans. That probably left notes. And also quite a bit of evidence of asian contact off and on.
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I really have no idea, but with the ships of the time, I imagine it would also be possible that those very currents that would bring them there prevented them from going back. I don't really know, and honestly haven't really studied any of this so feel free to ignore. I agree that there's no proof so everything is just speculation, but I also agree that history has been greatly distorted. Particularly American history. Anyway... It would really only take a few ships carrying horses getting swept off course. If the ship was damaged or even just lost, and it's quite possible there wouldn't be any records. A huge part of records would have required returning to Asia which could easily have been impossible.
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So Joe, are you suggesting that some of the appaloosas were here before the Spaniards brought over horses -- not from before 10,000 years ago, but maybe brought in by Asian ships in somewhat more modern history? Just trying to clarify. It is an interesting idea.

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read a couple diary and travel reports of some early french explorers to wyoming and montana, seems they crossed paths with the "People of the Horse" in the early 1700's. Also Dakota language by that time was full of horse related words.
Something I have read which may put a better time line on things. Problem is hard to pen down a date. especially when the gap is only a couple hundred years. Seems the NezPerce diet and living quarters changed after they became a horse culture. Prior to owning horses they didnt eat or use buffalo products.
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yeh basically some trading and contacts with some of the documented Chinese navigators in the 1400's.
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But would 1700's preclude those horses just coming from Spain?

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There are no known fossils of a modern horse such as those the native americans had when Lewis and Clark made their journey.
Without that evidence there is nothing to back up the claim of horses not of spainish origin among the tribes. Shalom
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