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        07-11-2007, 12:56 AM

    We searched for quite a few months for a horse. Dealt with some crooked dealers, some that couldn't part with their horses, etc. So we decided to do the whole rescue thing. (as we have with all our animals) We fell in love with a quater horse that ended up being incredibly psycho. Spent 2 hours just trying to catch him, reared up on anybody who tried to approach him, wouldn't put a halter on much less a lead rope. If you were lucky enough to get a rope around him... good luck trying to deal with him. Took him back.

    Got an adorable appaloosa. 10 year old gelding... A little pigeoned toed but otherwise in perfect health... Flexions showed no lameness.... for go the x rays. . Everyone we spoke to including our farrier and vet said they couldn't believe we got an appy for our first horse. They talked about how stubborn they were and how their hooves were always in turmoil. Please help ease our worries. He's a sweet boy. He's been in the pasture for about 7 months so his riding skills are null and void. Not exactly my dream horse, but oh so sweet and smart. Any recommendations on how to get him to get motivated? Horse trainer? Round pen training? Etc? Any ideas or just a little bit of motivation would be great! This is our first horse. I really want it to be a successful adventure. He's come so far in the week we've had him. Hated baths, now likes them... hated halters, now tolerates them. Does well with being saddled and bitted, but after that he goes down and refuses to move. Is the bit not right? He doesn't quite respond to it. Sorry for the novel. Just many questions with people making me doubt my decision with going with an Appy! (But I love him so!) I'll attach pics as soon as I figure it out!
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        07-11-2007, 02:49 AM
    This is going to come off sounding real negative, and I do apologize. Rescues are not the place to get a first horse, which I know is not what you want to hear. It may evoke a romantic notion, but there's a reason those horses are in rescue situations, and no decent rescue should send one of their horses out to a first time horse owner (which, really, is just my very blunt opinion.)

    I always recommend folks take six months (minimum) of lessons from a reputable trainer before buying a horse. This allows the potential owner to get some practical experience and know how, plus will help them make an educated decision when they go out to buy a horse (if they even are still interested, and several aren't.) Even though you've already got the horse, I'd suggest getting lessons on someone else's horse so that you're ready for your own.

    There could be any number of reasons your horse is going down, but I'd guess it's because he's figured out it's how to get out of working. This has nothing to do with his breed, but his work ethic and the fact that he's gotten away with it. Still, getting a vet out to check his teeth wouldn't be a bad idea, and having someone show you how to fit a bridle is in order as well.

    You could also begin checking out several videos from trainers to get a feel for ways to deal with your horse; Pat Parelli, Ken McNabb, Clinton Anderson or any number of other 'natural' horsemanship trainers will be very useful. I'd watch more than one trainer, as they all have something to offer and no one is the end all answer to horsemanship.

    I suspect you're in a bit over your head here, but hopefully you'll be able to find someone in your area that may be able to help you. Check at as many feed stores as possible and head out to some horse shows to get names of farriers, vets and trainers. You may find out that the ones you've got aren't real reputable, or you may find that folks love them. At the very least, you'll have a second name to fall back on should you need someone else. Good luck, and keep us updated on how things are working for you!

    (And yes, appaloosas have notoriously bad feet.)
        07-11-2007, 04:40 AM
    Sorry I to have to agree with desperate a 100%, I do not want to get off sounding mean but while reading your post it made me wonder about a few thing's. 1st off did you rescue this horse from a reputal rescue center?, I have owned and sold many horses in my past 30 some thing years of ridding, I myself will NOT sell a horse to a ridder that is incapable of ridding the horse....sorry but that just they way I am......i have also helped out on rescues who will not adopted out to first time owners unless the owners are well know with in reputal barns and taking lessons, I know some horse dealers are crooks but I also know some who wont sell if "they" have a bad feeling about the buyer.
    as deperate said please take the time to find a good trainer and take lessons, take the time to learn parts of the horse and learn names of the don't bitten a horse bridle a horse, so please do not take this the wrong way just take it as advice and find a trainer
        07-11-2007, 04:41 AM
    P.S parelli also has a free dvd that you can order from there web site
        07-11-2007, 10:13 AM
    I guess I should've told you a bit about myself since everyone has assumed I haven't taken lessons, know nothing about horses, etc. I was raised with horses. This is not MY first horse, just my family's first horse together. I am perfectly capable of dealing with him and riding him. Of course he's seen a vet and got his teeth floated, vaccines, wormed, etc. The farrier I chose is very reputable in this area. He specializes in corrective shoeing which is something we are looking into as soon as we get his feet in a little better shape.

    I actually have the story behind this horse as far as why he was put into the rescue program in the first place. There was no mistreatment or starvation involved. Just a family who got in over their head with too many horses.

    We have a horse trainer coming next week. Trust me I've done my research and know plenty. (I know there's still a TON to learn) I was just wanting to get your take on Appys. Sorry!
        07-11-2007, 12:18 PM
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    Hi and welcome to the Horseforum Ahearn.

    Apologies but when I first read your post, I thought it was your first horse too.
    I think its a lovely thing, taking a rescue horse and very humbling, with all the work, time and care that is involved. I envy you.

    I know Desperate and Kansas had your best interests at heart, they just believe like many other members that a rescue horse as a first horse ever, can not only be dangerous to yourself but the horse itself, especially if you are just starting out and don't have the knowledge to progress. But you are not an unknowledgeable person and the Appy isn't your first horse, so apologies all round.

    Back to the question, I don't know much about Appy's I'm afraid, but I do know there are plenty of members on here that have them, and I'm sure as soon as they read your post, they will have lots of advice, comments and help to send your way.

    Again welcome to the horse forum. Hope to see you around the threads.
        07-12-2007, 01:56 PM
    Appaloosas aren't known to be stubborn,not in my book anyway.

    What I would do,is a lot of lunging,to get him in shape and listening.
        07-12-2007, 02:48 PM
    Thank you for your response, Lovemyappy! We have actually been working with him daily. He's gotten so much better. He is SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO smart and catches on very quickly. His stubborness comes about when he is tired. He is terribly out of shape, so that will take us a little while! We have been working with lunging. He has either never been lunged or has forgotten...could be we are doing it differently from his previous owners?

    So far so good! Loving him to death!
        07-12-2007, 05:05 PM
    Sorry, ahearn, it sounded like you were new to horses as well as asking about his behavior.

    Appies in the past had notoriously bad feet, as do most horses with light colored hooves. As to temperment, that's something that is different in each horse and breeding program. Good to hear he's working better for you.
        07-12-2007, 06:15 PM
    Desperate, thanks for the apology! At first I was offended, but then reread my original post. I can understand why you would think I've never been around horses. That was me rambling after a very frustrating day! (I also have 2 very young children I chase around all day, 4 dogs , 2 of which can't stay away from a skunk, and one husband ...well enough said! )

    My appy is doing much better. We are doing some Monty Roberts training with him. Worked on Joining up. Worked like a just working on getting him into shape and doing some fundamentals. The trainer is coming by next Tuesday. He's a personal friend of mine. Everyone around here has 6-10 horses so I'm not left with a lack of advice. Sometimes I'd just like to hear some advise from someone who doesn't know me!

    Keep the advise coming!

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