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    10-19-2011, 01:50 AM
  #11
Trained
"In my limited experience Appaloosa - dim but reliable"

Mine is fine, but then, we have lots of sun in southern Arizona. Maybe if I put him where it rains 6 times a day, his brain would rot. I spent 3 1/2 years at RAF Upper Heyford north of Oxford. I felt like my brain was rotting, too.
     
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    10-19-2011, 05:08 AM
  #12
Foal
Appies not thick then

The answer is clearly no then.....

And I agree with those who say you should take every horse as an individual


- in theory

However, intelligence is an inherited feature - just as hairy legs or an ugly nose are inherited.

I think that anyone who suggests that the average Clydesdal has the same mindset as the average Arab might be slightly deluded

It seems logical to me that horse breeds that have developed over the years - maybe centuries in the case of the welsh cob or thoroughbred or Arab will have certain physical characteristics - and I put it to you that along with that selection will go some brain breeding as well

It was interesting that people talked about their appy crosses....


As some-one who has worked with hundreds of horses over the years then it is perfectly sensible to make a few assumptions about a horse that is new to you - it helps to survive.



If you are walking along a dark street at night and you see a big bloke dressed in black coming towards you then you might do well to cross to the other pavement

Of course he could be the local vicar on his way home....

So there is breed variation in morphology - why not brain power

Dylan
     
    10-19-2011, 09:33 AM
  #13
Trained
Dylan,

I am beginning to think that no matter what anyone tells you, you already have your opinion formed of the breed. That tends to make your posts look really asinine and have the attitude of "LALALA I can't hear you!"
     
    10-19-2011, 09:59 AM
  #14
Trained
"It seems logical to me that horse breeds that have developed over the years - maybe centuries in the case of the welsh cob or thoroughbred or Arab will have certain physical characteristics - and I put it to you that along with that selection will go some brain breeding as well"

Appies are a new breed. And they still allow crossing with Quarter Horses, Thoroughbreds and Arabians.

"A significant crossbreeding influence used to revitalize the Appaloosa was the Arabian horse, as evidenced by early registration lists that show Arabian-Appaloosa crossbreeds as ten of the first fifteen horses registered with the ApHC...In 1983 the ApHC reduced the number of allowable outcrosses to three main breeds: the Arabian horse, the American Quarter Horse and the Thoroughbred... All ApHC-registered Appaloosas must be the offspring of two registered Appaloosa parents or a registered Appaloosa and a horse from an approved breed registry, which includes Arabian horses, Quarter Horses, and Thoroughbreds. In all cases, one parent must always be a regular registered Appaloosa. The only exception to the bloodline requirements is in the case of Appaloosa-colored geldings or spayed mares with unknown pedigrees; owners may apply for "hardship registration" for these non-breeding horses."

Appaloosa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My Appaloosa is not registered, but I could if I wanted to spend the money. His sire was an Appy/Arabian mix, and his dam a purebred Arabian. So he is 3/4 Arabian by breeding (and standing next to a purebred Arabian):



In any case, it seems a bit odd to develop an opinion of a breed based off a sample size of one...
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    10-19-2011, 10:01 AM
  #15
Trained
I do think Appies are a bit thicker than say Arabians, or TBs. They are a stocky breed, thickness of girth and butt is to be expected...
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    10-19-2011, 10:07 AM
  #16
Foal
thanks you

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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
dylan,

I am beginning to think that no matter what anyone tells you, you already have your opinion formed of the breed. That tends to make your posts look really asinine and have the attitude of "LALALA I can't hear you!"

Thank you for your lovely comments

And for deciding what I think

If you read what I have actually written, rather than what you assume I am thinking, you will see that my mind is still open to intelligent debate.

Insults are not terribly useful - but if they make you happy....well this is a forum

I am very prepared to accept not all horses in the same breed think the same way

And indeed some people may assert that mind-set and intelligence in horses is not influenced at all by breed.

My push bike has three gears and is painted black - that does not mean that I beleive that all bikes have three gears and are painted black.

I had an appaloosa that was dimmer than the quarter horses I have worked with

That does not mean that I suddenly think all appies are dozy just as I don't think all quarter horses are biddable and intelligent

But thank you for your input - most illuminating


if you read what I have written I have just asked questions - in a previous thread I mentioned that the only hancock I had ever come across was a bit of a bucker - I asked if they often were - and yes it seems from the reponses that Hancocks - not all Hancocks of course - have a tendency to buck.

Clearly all Appies are very clever

Dylan
     
    10-19-2011, 10:23 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by dylan winter    
thank you for your lovely comments

And for deciding what I think

If you read what I have actually written, rather than what you assume I am thinking, you will see that my mind is still open to intelligent debate.

Insults are not terribly useful - but if they make you happy....well this is a forum

I am very prepared to accept not all horses in the same breed think the same way

And indeed some people may assert that mind-set and intelligence in horses is not influenced at all by breed.

My push bike has three gears and is painted black - that does not mean that I beleive that all bikes have three gears and are painted black.

I had an appaloosa that was dimmer than the quarter horses I have worked with

That does not mean that I suddenly think all appies are dozy just as I don't think all quarter horses are biddable and intelligent

But thank you for your input - most illuminating


If you read what I have written I have just asked questions - in a previous thread I mentioned that the only hancock I had ever come across was a bit of a bucker - I asked if they often were - and yes it seems from the reponses that Hancocks - not all Hancocks of course - have a tendency to buck.

Clearly all Appies are very clever

Dylan
The mistake you are making, and you are making a mistake, is one that many people make - treating Appys as a pure breed.

BSMS is of course incorrect - Appys are not a new breed unless you are comparing them to Arabs. They are an older breed than Quarterhorses, Morgans, and similar recent breeds, and are likely about the same vintage as Thoroughbreds.

However, the "breed" as it exists today, as a result of ApHC's registration policies, is not a pure breed but rather a mutt breed. As it is not a pure breed, one cannot make assumptions about conformation or disposition - that would be like making the same assumptions about mustangs or grade horses.

An Appy that is actually mostly Appy will have a different conformation and disposition baseline than one that is mostly Quarterhorse or one that is mostly Arab, and obviously understandably so.

The bottom line is you are trying to make generalizations about something that cannot be generalized, because it is not homogenous. Again, that is a common mistake among people that do not have that much knowledge of Appys...
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    10-19-2011, 10:57 AM
  #18
Trained
My reference was to the breed as it is registered. Until a breed is registered, it isn't a breed - just a bunch of horses with common characteristics.

In any case, if I posted a thread asking if all Quarter Horses were lumbering idiots and based it off of having ridden a Quarter Horse that was...I'd expect a few tense replies! It is kind of like standing up in a PTA meeting and saying you recently saw an ugly kid with red hair, and asking if parents of kids with red hair had to get used to people screaming at their children's hideousness. A few parents might have a negative reaction...

An open ended question - "What are Appies like? How would you rate them for intelligence, trainability and whatever?" - would get replies with less tension in them.

And before someone has a hissy fit, I think Quarter Horses are a great breed. If I ever breed my Arabian mare, it will be to a Quarter Horse. My 3/4 Arabian Appy is a wonderful horse, easy to train and eager to please. That doesn't mean he's a genius - any discussion of intelligence needs to include what one means by intelligent. The smartest dog I've owned was also the hardest to train, since he had his own opinion.
     
    10-19-2011, 10:57 AM
  #19
Foal
well said - good point

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceman    
The mistake you are making, and you are making a mistake, is one that many people make - treating Appys as a pure breed.

BSMS is of course incorrect - Appys are not a new breed unless you are comparing them to Arabs. They are an older breed than Quarterhorses, Morgans, and similar recent breeds, and are likely about the same vintage as Thoroughbreds.

However, the "breed" as it exists today, as a result of ApHC's registration policies, is not a pure breed but rather a mutt breed. As it is not a pure breed, one cannot make assumptions about conformation or disposition - that would be like making the same assumptions about mustangs or grade horses.

An Appy that is actually mostly Appy will have a different conformation and disposition baseline than one that is mostly Quarterhorse or one that is mostly Arab, and obviously understandably so.

The bottom line is you are trying to make generalizations about something that cannot be generalized, because it is not homogenous. Again, that is a common mistake among people that do not have that much knowledge of Appys...

Well written -

Logical

and informative

All done without recourse to insults

Thank you

Dylan
     
    10-19-2011, 11:01 AM
  #20
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsms    
The smartest dog I've owned was also the hardest to train, since he had his own opinion.
That's how my Arabian gelding was to train. Smartest horse I've ever owned and a real pisser to train, because he has to be convinced to do things.

My dog on the other hand, is as dumb as a post. Sweet dog, but she's not going to win any intelligence tests!
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