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Hi, not sure where to put this as i lost the thread, while going to sign up. I signed up here only because i saw a discussion on paint appy x. Look i just want to say i have one, Yes.. i bred it myself for myself 100% for temprement. I had a beautiful mare appy sport horse lovely quiet temprement smart bold and easy going. was a beautiful paint stallion near by that also had a great temprement also throwing quiet foals so i crossed them. I know people look down on it, but you know what the foal is beautiful. lovely confimation friendly, intelligent no 5th leg. No genetic issues. Really the most beautiful temprement which is what i was after. He is white lepard appy with chestnut spots 2 blue eyes, dark legs. Visable but pale baldy face from the paint side. decent mane and tail, hes pale white but has mainly black skin from the paint which is actually better for sunburn in australian climate. Appy stripped hooves. So quiet, i broke him in myself no kick, buck, rear or bad behaviour at all. Hes been cool in a group, out going will walk to the front of the crowd and happy at the back even as a green baby. To set the record straight I didnt breed him because im ignorant, i bred him because it was what i wanted, hes not registerable of course and i couldnt care less. I think theres a lot of people would love such as easy going horse. To the breeders with the ideal opinions in some ways you maybe right, but sometimes you forget there are a heck of a lot of horse people who just want a nice quiet athletic mount with good brains, hard hooves and a loving nature, even just to pleasure ride, trail ride, hunt, jump, round up sheep, local ag shows, put there kids on etc its not about the royal blue ribbons for everyone. I dont think its Backyard breeding when you've put thought into it and picked for confirmation and type that suits your needs. I waited 3 years to be able to put my butt on that horse, i wouldnt have done all that if i didnt have a plan about what i was hoping to get.
 
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So.... what is the point of this thread exactly? To yell at people who haven't even spoken to you of your breeding decision? :lol:
 
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Hi, not sure where to put this as i lost the thread, while going to sign up. I signed up here only because i saw a discussion on paint appy x. Look i just want to say i have one, Yes.. i bred it myself for myself 100% for temprement. I had a beautiful mare appy sport horse lovely quiet temprement smart bold and easy going. was a beautiful paint stallion near by that also had a great temprement also throwing quiet foals so i crossed them. I know people look down on it, but you know what the foal is beautiful. lovely confimation friendly, intelligent no 5th leg. No genetic issues. Really the most beautiful temprement which is what i was after. He is white lepard appy with chestnut spots 2 blue eyes, dark legs. Visable but pale baldy face from the paint side. decent mane and tail, hes pale white but has mainly black skin from the paint which is actually better for sunburn in australian climate. Appy stripped hooves. So quiet, i broke him in myself no kick, buck, rear or bad behaviour at all. Hes been cool in a group, out going will walk to the front of the crowd and happy at the back even as a green baby. To set the record straight I didnt breed him because im ignorant, i bred him because it was what i wanted, hes not registerable of course and i couldnt care less. I think theres a lot of people would love such as easy going horse. To the breeders with the ideal opinions in some ways you maybe right, but sometimes you forget there are a heck of a lot of horse people who just want a nice quiet athletic mount with good brains, hard hooves and a loving nature, even just to pleasure ride, trail ride, hunt, jump, round up sheep, local ag shows, put there kids on etc its not about the royal blue ribbons for everyone. I dont think its Backyard breeding when you've put thought into it and picked for confirmation and type that suits your needs. I waited 3 years to be able to put my butt on that horse, i wouldnt have done all that if i didnt have a plan about what i was hoping to get.

No my point is, there not bad horses just because there from two different colours they have alot of positive atributes.
 
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I was trying to respond to another discussion, obviously i didnt do it right. my bad. This Probably because ive never used a forum before. I was just tring to put forward some postive points about the x cross beed as heaps of negative comments. I thought that was the point of a forum. So glad to have come here and met such a warm reponse. Thanks heaps for the experiance.
 
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trick training!!

paint arabian... that sounds nice... yes. I found the trick training quite a fun idea, there is alot of how to trick train your horse on youtube. You can teach the circle, how to smile, pick up a hat etc you should check it out seems easier than you would think! :D That video was done on the first day so its pretty easy once they get the idea!
 
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I 'm not sure what thread you were following. I've got a mare that is pinto and possibly bred to an appaloosa. The cross was done so because the breed recognizes the Pinto Appaloosa outcome. I think a lot of people see breeding the cross as a negative because it isn't a registered breed/recognized for many breed standards and they assume there are already enough good mounts available. BUT I do think that your boy is a pretty one! I'm an appy fan at times.. not often but I do think he is pretty.

What is around his neck? Just curious.
 
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Ok around his neck is bailing twine. You use a loop of bailing twine, or thin rope. Its a special knot that is unable to slip no matter how hard it gets pulled on. cant think of what it is called. (You definately cant use the wrong knot.) If it gets caught on anything the horse is strong enough to break it, and is actually loose enough to pull over the head about 4 stretched fingers fit in there so its not tight and cant hurt the horse. Its handy if your horse is in a big padock has a tendancy to run away, or is young and you want to be able to catch them at arms length with out tipping them off trying to put a lead rope or halter over the neck. Seems to be a great teaching tool for youngsters they never get the idea to run away from you. Was taught to me by some one who broke horses in from a station where they have square miles to run away. I find it useful you can just clip a lead rope on it, or just pull on it and eventually the horse learns to think hes tied up and just stands. Has worked so well my horse just stands there, hes in a padock and ive used it to rug him and put the fly viel on and off etc. Its better than a halter because it breaks alot easier, or pulls right off. Ive never seen a horse that has been caught up or stuck anywhere with it, but it can at times, flip over one ear and would eventually fall off if you didnt flip it back. - orginally taught to me for halter breaking horses that havent been handled alot.
 
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Putting in my 2 cents for what it is worth. I think He is beautiful. See nothing wrong for breeding for something that you really wanted. Yes there are a lot of good grade horses out there but not everyone is looking for a show horse. You can't ride papers my good friend always used to say.. She rode a mule.
 
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Hello and welcome, Calicocolours.

I am tending to think, you posted because you have read here, that many of us are against indiscriminate crossbreeding. Right? That is a fact - and we are!

You said..."I bred it myself for myself 100% for temprement."

You were lucky, inasmuch as you ended up with a decent looking foal.
And herein, lies the problem. Most of us have seen many breed their mares because they love them and have a wonderful temperament. Others like you, even bred to a stallion who happened to also have a nice temperament and was close and handy. But it doesn't end and shouldn't, even begin there. Of course all should have a good temperament, but it doesn't mean they should be bred.

Many of us who have been around for a while in horses, have seen tons of sweet and lovely temperamented mares bred, but other than that, they had nothing to offer and the foal ended up as a genetic and conformation mess.

Whether breeding purebreds or crossbreds, there is so much to consider. This is also the reason to know as much about the background/pedigree of the horse/s involved, as possible. Many colour patterns carry horrible genetic problems. Some breeds do.

Because you were lucky, I don't want newcomers here, to think that just because a mare and stallion have terrific temperaments and that the stallion happens to live down the road, it is a reason to breed. Conformation first - always. Any horse with a terrific temperament but serious conformation flaws, will likely break down early in life. We know where the sad majority of those, end up.

As I said before, you were lucky. Most who breed as you did, are not. I can see you love your boy and put time and work into him. I hope you will post pics of him as he goes along.

Lizzie
 
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I have a pintaloosa, she is the best mare I have ever owned. I don't think color of any kind predicts temperment or ability. I got her as a filly b/c she showed a lot of potential w respect to jumping which is what my daughter wanted to do and I liked her. She, of course, is grade. I have never noticed anyone thumb there nose at her, and one would have to be pretty ignorant to not deduce she is grade. In fact, when I would take her to the hunter jumper stable my daughter trained at, teenage kids w their own horses would ask if they could ride/jump her - go figure. I know when I was a teenager I did not ask to ride other people's horses - I rather liked my own. My daughter has since quit horses all together, I gladly took her, and the filly (now a mare) is also one heck of a mountain horse.

She was my first grade horse. I personally would not breed a grade horse w/o a very specific and thought out reason in mind. It sounds like you had such a reason. Registration is just a "collective effort" to selectively breed for "x" characteristics/abilities. It really doesn't matter unless a show you want to attend is exclusive, and, more importantly, to marketability. I tend to keep my horses for their entire life, most do not. So, marketability is of extreme importance "in general". A grade horse has to "prove itself" on an individual basis before the demand for it is as great as an unproven younster w proven bloodlines. It's the human factor. Look at mustangs, many of them are inbred (just like registered horses :)), and there is a high demand for them on the basis they are/were "mustangs".

If one cares for a horse for its entire life, I don't see what it matters what their particular breeding program is - otherwise, yes - I see a problem w it w respect to the horse's future prospects.
 
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I appologise..

I appologise if i made it sound like you can grab two horses of spots and splashes and if i they have a good temprement you can breed a great horse...
Thats not really where i was coming from- obviously i didnt represent myself well in first post. :? I dont under any circumstances suggest that anyone should start breeding horses of inferior confirmation. That is no place to start! I would never do that.
I know i mentioned temprement ALOT because thats something that was important to me, and a great characteristic in my paticular horses. I bred two horse of great confirmation and type, as well as temprement. They have good backgrounds of family health etc. The mare is my own that i also bred, i know alot of the background and history there of grandparents etc. The stallion, although i made it sounds like it was some horse from down the road, was a qaulity stallion from imported cutting blood lines well known from throwing good comfirmation, solid bone and quiet foals. I was lucky--- he only happened to be there as some people in my local area had just sourced him from out of state to open a paint horse stud. The blood lines were qaulity some of the best in this country and there was little chance of the leathal white gene. :D

Alot more thought went into the whole affair than the way that i made it sound, sorry if ive given anyone the wrong idea. Of course you need to do research and put alot of thought and planning into breeding any horse. Including your facilities, your own abilities and wheather or not you are capable of, or have access to some one who knows how to handle young horses - including the breaking in process. Too many people breed horses that they and incapable of training. :shock:

A good horse, is any colour. BUT it needs to be physically and mentally capable of what you your going to ask of it.
 
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