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        11-02-2012, 09:31 PM
      #11
    Foal
    I 'm not sure what thread you were following. I've got a mare that is pinto and possibly bred to an appaloosa. The cross was done so because the breed recognizes the Pinto Appaloosa outcome. I think a lot of people see breeding the cross as a negative because it isn't a registered breed/recognized for many breed standards and they assume there are already enough good mounts available. BUT I do think that your boy is a pretty one! I'm an appy fan at times.. not often but I do think he is pretty.

    What is around his neck? Just curious.
         
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        11-04-2012, 04:38 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Neat trick and nice horse. Welcome to the forum!!
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        11-19-2012, 10:31 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Ok around his neck is bailing twine. You use a loop of bailing twine, or thin rope. Its a special knot that is unable to slip no matter how hard it gets pulled on. Can't think of what it is called. (You definitely can't use the wrong knot.) If it gets caught on anything the horse is strong enough to break it, and is actually loose enough to pull over the head about 4 stretched fingers fit in there so its not tight and can't hurt the horse. Its handy if your horse is in a big padock has a tendancy to run away, or is young and you want to be able to catch them at arms length with out tipping them off trying to put a lead rope or halter over the neck. Seems to be a great teaching tool for youngsters they never get the idea to run away from you. Was taught to me by some one who broke horses in from a station where they have square miles to run away. I find it useful you can just clip a lead rope on it, or just pull on it and eventually the horse learns to think he's tied up and just stands. Has worked so well my horse just stands there, he's in a padock and I've used it to rug him and put the fly viel on and off etc. Its better than a halter because it breaks alot easier, or pulls right off. I've never seen a horse that has been caught up or stuck anywhere with it, but it can at times, flip over one ear and would eventually fall off if you didnt flip it back. - orginally taught to me for halter breaking horses that havent been handled alot.
         
        11-20-2012, 12:57 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Putting in my 2 cents for what it is worth. I think He is beautiful. See nothing wrong for breeding for something that you really wanted. Yes there are a lot of good grade horses out there but not everyone is looking for a show horse. You can't ride papers my good friend always used to say.. She rode a mule.
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        11-20-2012, 01:21 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Cool

    Nice horse!! Love appys & paints!
         
        11-20-2012, 01:39 PM
      #16
    Foal
    My goodness what a pretty boy! Can't say I've ever seen one quite like him, thanks for sharing :)
         
        11-20-2012, 05:10 PM
      #17
    Started
    Pretty horse.
         
        11-20-2012, 05:50 PM
      #18
    Foal
    I think he is a very handsome boy. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks as long as you love him.
         
        11-20-2012, 07:02 PM
      #19
    Started
    Hello and welcome, Calicocolours.

    I am tending to think, you posted because you have read here, that many of us are against indiscriminate crossbreeding. Right? That is a fact - and we are!

    You said..."I bred it myself for myself 100% for temprement."

    You were lucky, inasmuch as you ended up with a decent looking foal.
    And herein, lies the problem. Most of us have seen many breed their mares because they love them and have a wonderful temperament. Others like you, even bred to a stallion who happened to also have a nice temperament and was close and handy. But it doesn't end and shouldn't, even begin there. Of course all should have a good temperament, but it doesn't mean they should be bred.

    Many of us who have been around for a while in horses, have seen tons of sweet and lovely temperamented mares bred, but other than that, they had nothing to offer and the foal ended up as a genetic and conformation mess.

    Whether breeding purebreds or crossbreds, there is so much to consider. This is also the reason to know as much about the background/pedigree of the horse/s involved, as possible. Many colour patterns carry horrible genetic problems. Some breeds do.

    Because you were lucky, I don't want newcomers here, to think that just because a mare and stallion have terrific temperaments and that the stallion happens to live down the road, it is a reason to breed. Conformation first - always. Any horse with a terrific temperament but serious conformation flaws, will likely break down early in life. We know where the sad majority of those, end up.

    As I said before, you were lucky. Most who breed as you did, are not. I can see you love your boy and put time and work into him. I hope you will post pics of him as he goes along.

    Lizzie
         
        11-24-2012, 12:37 PM
      #20
    Trained
    I have a pintaloosa, she is the best mare I have ever owned. I don't think color of any kind predicts temperment or ability. I got her as a filly b/c she showed a lot of potential w respect to jumping which is what my daughter wanted to do and I liked her. She, of course, is grade. I have never noticed anyone thumb there nose at her, and one would have to be pretty ignorant to not deduce she is grade. In fact, when I would take her to the hunter jumper stable my daughter trained at, teenage kids w their own horses would ask if they could ride/jump her - go figure. I know when I was a teenager I did not ask to ride other people's horses - I rather liked my own. My daughter has since quit horses all together, I gladly took her, and the filly (now a mare) is also one heck of a mountain horse.

    She was my first grade horse. I personally would not breed a grade horse w/o a very specific and thought out reason in mind. It sounds like you had such a reason. Registration is just a "collective effort" to selectively breed for "x" characteristics/abilities. It really doesn't matter unless a show you want to attend is exclusive, and, more importantly, to marketability. I tend to keep my horses for their entire life, most do not. So, marketability is of extreme importance "in general". A grade horse has to "prove itself" on an individual basis before the demand for it is as great as an unproven younster w proven bloodlines. It's the human factor. Look at mustangs, many of them are inbred (just like registered horses ), and there is a high demand for them on the basis they are/were "mustangs".

    If one cares for a horse for its entire life, I don't see what it matters what their particular breeding program is - otherwise, yes - I see a problem w it w respect to the horse's future prospects.
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