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post #81 of 101 Old 01-21-2013, 03:29 PM
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There are always those who go to extremes to try to win....why they do that, who knows? Here's is my horse's sire (Besson Carol) in his show makeup - he still has all of his whiskers and everything and he won at Scottsdale:

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I don't know why people get clipper happy. You should see the 4H shows down here. LOL! Hours and HOURS spent getting every hair just right - and I thought I was OCD about stuff....I gave up competitive trail riding years ago and moved to endurance due to all the showsheen and hoof polish involved in CTR - LOL! In my area anyway - their trail horses had more hair care products than most women I know.

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post #82 of 101 Old 01-21-2013, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Remali View Post
Well, I started going to the Arabian "A" shows back in the 1960's. Since then the abuse has gotten out of hand, especially with the halter horses. Until the judges start enforcing the rules better, I doubt I will be going again any time soon. Overuse of the whip (whacking the horses' knees) and shanking are the main things I still see, and horses nearly falling to their knees from fear. Rules need to be enforced better. It is not "perceived" abuse, it IS actual abuse. And we have a couple well-known BNTs not very far from here that are some of the worst at it.
I was at the judge's school last month, and I've been at every major show in the past several years (if not personally showing, I've been there with friends who are). There are a FEW very bad eggs in the show industry, but let me tell you, there are some very unhappy people with them. The judges' commission didn't name names, but it was easy to know who they were talking about for anyone who goes to the big shows. They're on a mission to stop those trainers from winning, and they're serious about it.

It's gotten better. I see a lot less abuse at the shows now than ten years ago. It gets less each year, and more (and stricter) rules are added to prevent the cheaters from doing well.

I think the majority of people showing/training Arabs are doing things properly. It's just that those few are so well known still. BUT, it's changing. I saw several known abusive trainers have a worse than normal US Nationals last year, and that's a good step. When they stop winning, they'll hopefully realize they need to stop, or, if nothing else, maybe the clients will pull the horses.

ETA: In reference to shanking, to me, shanking is a minor issue. I show halter. You shank to get their attention, just as if you might half halt, kick, bump lightly in the mouth, or tap with a crop when you're riding. If they continue to ignore the light shanking, you get tougher until they do. Shanking is the least of the problems in halter, IMO.

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post #83 of 101 Old 01-21-2013, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBayArab View Post
Honestly I have never seen any of those things. In the arabian A shows I have gone to whips weren't even involved at all, and the horses have never looked necessarily scared, just excited. I have honestly never seen an arab at those shows that is not in perfect condition and happy in the arena. I don't know if maybe you went to some somehow different show, but I have been to nearly every A show and the horses and trainers are fine, save for about two that I know. And as for the shanking, as long as you are not constantly jerking the horse it just adds contact for easier communication, like a rope halter or a martingale.
Where are you at? I have been to Arizona, seen it there. But I am from WI and have been going to the WI and MN shows... whips and shanking is rampant. Ever hear of the Boggs?

I am have mainly been to the Region 10 shows, as well as MN Arabian Show, and Sahara Sands, all in MN. As well as a few in southern WI.

You see it at the Nationals too.
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Where are you at? I have been to Arizona, seen it there. But I am from WI and have been going to the WI and MN shows... whips and shanking is rampant. Ever hear of the Boggs?

I am have mainly been to the Region 10 shows, as well as MN Arabian Show, and Sahara Sands, all in MN. As well as a few in southern WI.

You see it at the Nationals too.
I understand where you are coming from but, using this as an example of the AHA National Championship halter class; the shank is necessary as the arenas become very noisy and the horses are often not gelded. It is often used a bit less with the mares, but for all halter arabs, the arena is a place to go quick and show off their movement. The shank allows the handler to pull the horse back if it gets out of control, and generally does not aid in the actual showing of the horse.

I have never heard of the eyelash thing. Thick eyelashes are an important characteristic of the arab, to keep sand out of their eyes, so you would think it would be a desired feature. I know arabs get their bridle paths clipped further back, and their muzzles get clipped as well. I do believe I have seen some big show horses without their whiskers, though I do not imagine it is painful to achieve. I could be wrong but, regardless, many horses I have seen in those shows have had their whiskers. I myself have done a couple halter classes with my old horse who was an arab, and we did the usual; nose clip, bridle path clip, hoof polish and occasionally a dab of grease on the nose. The extremely greased up horses is definitely an acquired taste, but as far as I know it does not harm the animal.

Personally, as someone who has been around show arabians for a large part of their life and not exposed to other breeds very much until I turned ten (I used to think all horses were supposed to look like arabians), I like the "extreme" features of todays show arabians. Again, DEFINITELY an acquired taste. Arabians in general look virtually the same today as they did originally, since purity and careful, strict breeding has been so important to the culture. Each and every feature has a purpose. For example, large nostrils enable ease of breathing when running, as does the jibbah. They have short, strong backs which actually have less vertebrae than other breeds, eyelashes to shield from sand, black skin to prevent sunburn (I have a theory that the grease is to exaggerate that black skin), large jaw space, also to aid in easy breathing while running. Conformation has always been of extreme importance in their breeding.

"The Bedouins of the Arabian desert were dependent for survival on their Arabian horses. While they valued the beauty of their horses, they were equally adamant that their horses were strong, with deep chests, straight legs, large joints and good lungs to carry them across large stretches of their desert homeland."

The arabians were also used to guard tents and alert of attackers. They were often allowed into the tents, which is why arabians have grown so close to people.

Anyways, sorry about the long post.
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post #85 of 101 Old 01-21-2013, 08:56 PM
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Team Midwest.....hmmm, yes heard of Boggs. But he isn't the only one.
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post #86 of 101 Old 01-21-2013, 09:52 PM
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Yes, there are many other trainers out there who resorted to cruel methods, not just Midwest.

Sadly, most of the Arabian show horses of today look nothing like the Arabians we saw back in the 1960's. Google some of the past National Champion Halter stallions from the 1960's, to me that is the true breed standard (Raffon come to mind,as does Fadjur...). Altho there are some breeders who still are trying to preserve the classic Arabian look.
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post #87 of 101 Old 01-21-2013, 10:48 PM
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I keep whiskers off of my horses' muzzles year round. Can't stand them, lol. Bridlepaths are kept trimmed, too.

For shows, all whiskers come off, and ears are trimmed out. Horses are clipped close to the skin around the muzzles and above the eyes. Eye lashes remain (not sure why anyone would remove those?). Baby oil is applied on the muzzle, above the eyes, and sometimes around the ears to accent the dark skin. SOP for Arab shows. Very few leave whiskers. You'll see it on some halter horses and some performance horses, but the majority trim them off for shows.

It's an opinion of what you like. I, personally, don't want to look at long whiskers on my horses, and they all get along just fine without them at home :)

Having said all that, I have issues with how some show horses. I simply won't use them as trainers or buy a horse from them. That's all I can control at this point.
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post #88 of 101 Old 01-22-2013, 08:00 PM
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Yea, they are nice horses, too small for me but I don't hate on them... It's all personal preference though, but people need to learn to keep some opinions to themselves... Best of luck!
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I'm a little late posting, but I have quarabs. They get flack all the time, but I alos have had alot of the same complainers say "Once that horse gets experience, you'll have the best and smartest riding horse you can have...." Plus my mare is 16h,and my gelding is 15.2 lol...not small.... so I get the best of both worlds, altho, my mare is a bit bigger than I would have liked.

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post #90 of 101 Old 02-25-2013, 09:10 PM
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I'm not an arabian fan, but I don't condemn the people who are. We like what we like. And as for Arabs being spooky and all, one of my horses is a QH and he acts like an Arab.
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