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post #1 of 42 Old 07-11-2012, 07:41 AM Thread Starter
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Arabian males are not pure??

I'm new to this horse thing, and so this might be silly but is it true that Arabian males are not as pure as females? As someone who wants to own an Arabian gelding, this is upsetting. Please explain:

"Unlike other horsemen, the Bedouins only used mares for the hunt and for war. Stallions were used only for stud. Most colts were sold to horse dealers because only a few were needed for breeding. Breeding was only traced through the mares, not the studs. A pure-bred or "Asil" mare was highly revered. It was believed that only an Asil mare could carry one to victory in war."

Source: Arabian horse breed information

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post #2 of 42 Old 07-11-2012, 07:43 AM Thread Starter
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I understand Arabians are technically all "pure" but does this mean the male, over centuries of selective breeding, is somehow less of an "arabian" than the females? Does this affect their performance in horse sports?

I have decided on an older Arabian gelding as my first horse
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post #3 of 42 Old 07-11-2012, 08:13 AM
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No. There are Egyptians, Spanish, Russian etc. There are also strains and pure in strain, Enzahi, Abeyyan, Saklowi etc. Yes, they are traced on the tail female line but I don't think colts are less "pure" than fillies nor does it affect their performance.
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You can trace many Arabs back a few centuries - that's pretty pure!

Also - note that your excerpt doesn't say ALL stallions were sold to horse dealers.
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post #5 of 42 Old 07-11-2012, 01:50 PM
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The stallions were just as pure but weren't as noisy going into a raid. You can read more about it here - Welcome to Arabian Horses.org - Education
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The stallions were just as pure but weren't as noisy going into a raid. You can read more about it here - Welcome to Arabian Horses.org - Education
You're incorrect. Mares were the preferred war mounts, as they wouldn't call to another tribe's horses, unlike stallions.

That's the reason the mare tail line was considered more important than the stallion. A good stallion was known by his mother's lineage, not his father's.

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The pure mares had to come from somewhere.
Get your pure Arabian gelding & enjoy him.
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I would like to point something out that I noticed-

You are looking for a gelding, right? Geldings are working animals, not breeding stock, or fancy papered expensive pasture puffs used only for breeding select mares some of the year.

Unless you are going to a high dollar breed show where pedigree is really important, I wouldn't worry one bit about it.

Just my opinion.
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I don't see in that quote where it says the males were less pure than the females? Only that the lines were traced through females.

Its almost the exact opposite of most breeds today. Most breeds brag on who the sire was, which really doesn't make much sense other than the sire can get his name out there more because he can have more offspring to succeed in shows and such than what a mare can produce. So more offspring means more publicity which means more popularity.

However, I firmly believe a mare leaves more of herself in the resulting foal than a stallion of any breed does. This is because only the mtDNA comes from the mare, in addition to the fact that the mare leaves an imprint on the foal since she nurtures it through its first several months of life.

Tracing lines through the mares just makes more sense. It doesn't mean the stallions/geldings are less pure, but only that in the sense of breeding the mare will have more impact.
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You're incorrect. Mares were the preferred war mounts, as they wouldn't call to another tribe's horses, unlike stallions.

That's the reason the mare tail line was considered more important than the stallion. A good stallion was known by his mother's lineage, not his father's.

sorry......I was in a hurry and I forgot to type the word "mare" it should have read - The stallions were just as pure but mares weren't as noisy going into a raid.


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