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post #1 of 40 Old 02-10-2017, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
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Arabian Question for Arabian ppl in the know

I just acquired and Arabian gelding. He is 9 and was started at 4 for 60 days, and then no one rode him. I have him because his owners were moving and going to let him go. No one messed with him much, and he is unruly. He is at the trainers now for 30 days, but I think it's going to take more than that - he is slow to change and doesn't seem receptive to training. I am worried I will have to sell him because I cannot afford much more training right now, and even though I could ride him 3 days a week, it is sounding like I don't want to get on him from what the trainer is going through. I am a good rider, but I was hoping for a horse with a better mind. He is so friendly in the pasture and very curious and seemingly unafraid of anything. But it took forever to get him into the trailer, and he went bananas when we showed him the saddle. And he is slow to come around to training.

I asked another person about him, someone that knows Arabian bloodlines, and she was like "OH NO, that's the WORST." He is seriously line bred, like if I had known it when I got him, I might have thought twice (I researched his lineage AFTER I got him, was able to find his sire and dam, and I am getting the breeder signed papers so I can register him with the AHA - all positives). So here's my question - his blood line is thus:

Captain Malcolm Reynolds Arabian

Is this a crazy line? She told me that Ruminaja Ali horses are unpredictable and kickers (he is a kicker, and he won't give his back feet - had to sedate him for the farrier to fix up his completely horrible feet). But is there hope for this horse or is this a really undesirable line? I know very little about Arabian lines, especially Egyptian.
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post #2 of 40 Old 02-10-2017, 07:58 PM
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What kind of trainer did you send him to? I'd send an Arabian that seemed like he was hot and needing a lot of work to an Arabian trainer. The good ones have methods that work well with horses that are sensitive and can blow up if too much pressure is applied.

It's unlikely you can pin a horse's temperament down to bloodlines. I'd go with what the horse is showing you. What one person thinks of as responding well to training might be something other than what another person thinks. I'd say the horse responds well if he learns to not kick, to accept having a saddle and bridle on and to respond to cues. In general progressing with what he knows. But this is a very green horse and he will be green for quite some time.
He may never stand perfectly still when tied or walk slowly down a trail without spooking. Some Arabians never get to that point even with lots of experience and training.

That's one more reason I'd send the horse to a trainer specializing in Arabians. If the horse does not end up being a temperament you appreciate, the Arabian trainer can help you find a good home with someone experienced with Arabians who will appreciate the horse.
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I sent him to a trainer that works with all breeds, but he specializes in TBs and Anglos. I called an Arabian trainer close by, but they didn't have anything open for several months. The other Arabain trainer is a 10 hour haul, which I just am not able to do. I figured since TBs and Anglos tend to be hot breeds, they would be similar to PB Arabians. He came HIGHLY recommended by several people I know and trust, so I am sure he is doing the best he can and being very honest with me. I can see the horse each weekend so I know he is being treated well.
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My straight Egyptian Arabian has taken a lot of work. If you are a good rider, you may find that another 30 days will get him so that you can ride him. My horse has been ridden hundreds of miles, and she still is a bit crazy if I don't ride her for several weeks in a row.

But when she does well, she does so very well. Beautiful gaits. Wonderful to ride.

The fact that he likes humans is a good sign.
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I seriously doubt that it's his bloodlines, more likely that he's just very green....sounds like very little in handling or training has been done for 5 years. So you have to consider him to be untrained at this point. Start from the beginning with his training. The fact that he is quite curious, friendly and unafraid in the pasture should tell you his true character. The thing about Arabians is that they are highly intelligent and very willing, IF handled correctly. You can't force them, or use force on them, or take shortcuts in their training. They will try their heart out for you if they understand what you want them to do. And they will be devoted to you for life. Sounds like 1. You need a trainer experienced in training Arabians, or 2. Start from the beginning with his training with ground work, lunging, round pen work to create a foundation and continue from there to create a foundation, and continue from there as if you are starting an untrained horse. If you can do this, I think you will be truly amazed at the jewel you have. Right now he's a diamond in the rough.

And since he's an Arabian, pictures are required......please?
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Thee Desperado lines CAN be tougher horses and he is line-bred/inbred. Straight eyptians are often bred a bit more for beauty and less for riding ability, compare to the crabbet, older Polish, domestic and Russian lines.

HOWEVER it is impossible to say how fast he is training up is because is because of his lines vs being a 9 year old horse that needs to LEARN HOW TO LEARN vs a training style not matching the horse.
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These are when I first got him, so he looks kind of terrible. He looks better now, but I don't have anything recent since he's been at the trainers.
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It is likely a combination of his breeding and lack of socialization and training. Those are similar bloodlines to the arabs I used to work with years ago and they were challenging but intelligent and made wonderful horses once we got the time in on them, They certainly weren't boring and had good minds.

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He has a very pretty face.

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post #10 of 40 Old 02-10-2017, 09:25 PM Thread Starter
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His feet are 1000x better now and his coat looks better from grooming and better food. He loves to come over to me in the pasture and will follow me around. Likes to see what we are all doing. He will walk away from horses to be with people.

I have all the paperwork to register him (it took me awhile to track it all down) and I am waiting a bit to see if there will be AHA amnesty this year for older horses. I was hoping to do Endurance on him eventually, but right now I just want him to get where he is a fairly good trail horse. My daughter just started training for Endurance on my amazing mare (who was a nightmare when I got her and she's a wonderful horse now) so I am kind of hoping he will be the same. I have less time now than I did when I was training her, though, which is why I sent him out instead of doing it myself.

But the person that told me his bloodlines were bad freaked me out a bit (since I am unfamiliar with Egyptian lines).
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