Arabian registration problems!!!

But that's the problem, I have to have proof that the stallion I say bred her to create this foal is the one that actually did. That's where I'm having the issue. I know that I can put deja in my name easily, but to get her colt registered is where I have a problem. I was looking at the registration paperwork for half arabians and they still want previous owners/owners of stallion signature to prove that this is the stallion that bred this mare. That is where I am stuck at. I have no proof that this is the sire to this colt without their signature.

Ok, im kinda confused. Deja is a reg PB right? The colt can be registered as a half arab. You don't have to know who the stud was as long as momma is reg. If your going to geld him than its not a real big deal. Registrations can be a real hassle sometimes. :S

no, deja is reg. half arabian.(though her pedigree is all arabian but one grade horse like five or six generations ago, but that is why she's half not PB.) Otherwise I wouldn't have this problem...v.v" The sire of her colt is the PB one. It's a big mess.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rio+deja+vu

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mana+du+vortes

oh ok. Id go knock on their door and if they moved get the forwarding addy.

They live(d) an hour and a half away from me, I'll see if I can get any info on where they might have gone before I make a trip out there for maybe nothing. I wish there was some way to know what breed that one horse was. On her papers it just says SIOUX grade mare. I wonder if data source would have it in there or if they really just put grade and not a breed like welsh or QH or something. or even if it was an unregistered arabian...

Okay, now I see your dilemma.

Your mare is registered as a Half Arab, and the stallion is the purebred.

However, if the stallion isn't registered and DNA typed, it won't matter whether or not you get the stallion owner's signature, because your foal won't be registerable with the AHA anyway.

They won't register a horse whose parentage is from a registered Half Arabian and an un-DNA typed stallion.

If you know for a fact that this stallion is registered and DNA typed, then you're going to have to bite the bullet and approach his owner to request a signature on the foal's registration paperwork.

If you don't want to do that, then all you have is a grade horse with Arabian characteristics.

It looks like I'll have to do some digging and try to find out where they went. I'd like to see if they still have deja's filly from last year too...Maybe I need a new email address and a fake name for this one.....hope it's not too illegal, but these people leave me no choice. Would I be able to have the stallion dna typed if I sent in some of his mane if I got it?(with their permission of course ^.^)

If the stallion is registered but not DNA typed, even if you pay to have him typed, it will only be good for any foals born after he's DNAed.

Any foal born prior to that will be unregisterable. Sorry.

You cannot register an Arabian without getting them DNA'd, so if he has paper's, he's DNA'd.

That was their stallion, the pictures you posted? God, he's gorgeous, but he needs a new home.
They should be reported if their horses are all in his shape.

Actually, if he is an older stallion, he might not have had DNA filed at the time he was registered, but might have a bloodtype on file instead.

While it is true that AHA now requires DNA on file for both parents for a purebred Arabian foal to be registered, unless something has changed in the last 4-5 years, they did not require DNA for the purebred parent to be on file for registering half-Arabian foals.

Regardless, even with a purebred foal it is NEVER too late to file DNA on a parent--- as long as the DNA GETS filed, you can register the offspring once its filed (the fees are high, but it can be done.) On previously bloodtyped Arabians, DNA SHOULD be filed before breeding takes place, but if it isn't, AHA allows you to "play catch up"-- at a price of course .