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        03-25-2013, 07:56 PM
      #41
    Foal
    Good response KountryPrincess. I guess maybe I was just lucky to have a few Arabs that were kind, obedient and trustworthy. I think you have to understand them to even begin to even train them. I love them over any other breed. There have been a lot of wonderful responses on this web site and I am so thankful that not everyone finds an Arab crazy.
         
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        03-25-2013, 08:00 PM
      #42
    Foal
    Like the story from desorthorseman!!! Susan
         
        03-25-2013, 08:11 PM
      #43
    Trained


    That's us, howdyme
         
        03-25-2013, 08:26 PM
      #44
    Foal
    A big YAY!!!
    Arabs are the only breed of horse I know that you can completely scare away with the deadliest weapon of all- a bucket of rocks- yet, if you just get quiet again they will always come back to investigate. They are a very personable breed, always inquisitive and friendly. And they're PRETTY! I'm in the process of buying my own arab stallion and I can't wait. In my opinion, you can't beat the stallions with this breed. They're willing, smart, friendly, and paired with a good handler can be the best mounts in the world.

    Many people tend to keep away from them because of the different ride that they give. Since they have less spinal vertebrae if you're used to riding a big QH and you slip onto an arab you'd think you're on a worm because of their extra flexibility. Truthfully, I think that the best riders out there are those who feel equally comfortable on both.

    To judge if an arab is right for you there are a lot of different things to think about. For example: If you're a naturally high strung person, it may not be the best idea since animals feed off of emotion. I've had the calmest trail arab spook at nothing when a terrified rider got on him(she's just had a big accident), it was completely out of character, but it just shows how sensitive our animals are.

    But anyway- Amazing breed with so many different lines to choose from! My favorite is the spanishXeqyptian golden cross. :)
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        03-25-2013, 08:47 PM
      #45
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KountryPrincess    
    One of my favorite jokes is that Arab's think their name is "Waaaalk, waaaalk".
    I had an old fat English Cob and lots of people asked me if his name was really "WHOA YOU (unprintable word but implying that his parents had never been married(so actually I could use said word in its proper context as I very much doubt that horses do have marriage lines)) because his brakes were somewhat faulty.
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        03-25-2013, 08:47 PM
      #46
    Green Broke
    Arabs are extremely intelligent, will NOT tolerate bullying and more often than not have to think "it" was their idea; whatever "it" is, just like men

    What makes them crazy is the lack of understanding on the part of the person handling them.

    If a Body can't handle Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, Dobermans, or Siamese cats, you aren't going to be able to fairly handle an Arab either. A person has to be able to get inside their head and actually understand how they think instead of trying to pigeon-hole them into some generic training process.

    I've seen one or two QH trainers ruin Arabs because they insisted on "training" the horse their way instead of the right way for an Arab.

    They take a lot of patience because they are so smart and ask "what for?" regarding just about everything in this life.

    Folks that prefer dogs like Labs and Collies need to stick with QH's and Paints.

    Yes I have ridden Tennessee Walkers for 22 years - so I could keep riding or give it up. I have always been an Arab, Arab/cross person and still have one Arab who has been with me nearly 20 years. His sweet little-give-toddlers-and-babies-happy-horse-memories self will be 27 in April.

    He was a terrific lesson horse for children under 12 but we gave that up after leaving PA, because it was I who was running out of patience with some of the moms

    He had some issues when I rescued him and, in the wrong hands, he would have easily been dubbed "crazy". He gets the best Betty Davis Eyes when he's upset, of any horse I've ever owned.

    Yet when the vet came to do physicals, he was loose in the yard with my injured horse. The vet walked right up to my Arab, took his fly mask off and gave Streeter his physical ---- no halter, no hay twine around that crazy Arab's neck, no nothing.

    Streeter is not one to stand still for strangers but he's on a first-name basis with the vet and allowed himself to be poked and prodded for the standard exam, standing nekkid out in the yard.

    That all happened because I was on the other end of the yard haltering the injured horse and the vet decided to make good use of his waiting time

    I commented that Streeter was probably the only one of the vet's clients he could do that with and he replied, he'd bet I was right and his assistant agreed.

    Pretty good for one of them Crazy A-Rahbs
         
        03-25-2013, 09:06 PM
      #47
    Foal
    Amen to that. Not all ARABS are crzy. :)
         
        03-26-2013, 04:47 AM
      #48
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by howdyme    
    BLUE EYED PONY...YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN.
    Oh I know, I AM only eighteen after all and will be learning my entire life - but I also know my horse [he is Anglo Arab, and he's actually QUIETER than most purebreds, of EITHER breed, I have dealt with]. He is incredibly human. I do not anthropomorphise. Monty makes his intentions, and his reasons, perfectly clear. Once, he bucked me off, a WEEK after my infraction, and made it more than clear that he did it because of the specific thing I had done that he took exception to.

    I get along with this horse incredibly well, because I get how he thinks. I guarantee that if he's being a brat, it's in reaction to something I have done that has offended him. Even as much as a month down the track. I'm not one of those butterfly farts and rainbows people who believes that their horse doesn't like them and if it loved them it wouldn't misbehave... no. I'm realistic. Monty plays up? My fault. Always my fault. Because it's ALWAYS in response to something I have done. The exception is how strong he gets when we're jumping - that's just him and no amount of training can change it. He goes in a snaffle and that's the best I can hope for.

    People who don't get how he thinks can't get the best out of him. I had a super-experienced dressage coach hop on [after he'd bucked me off - coach wanted to 'sort him out' because I was hurt and couldn't do so myself], and after about a half-hour - and this coach did NOTHING that I disagreed with, just popped him up into canter, hauled his head up if he tried to buck, and pushed him forward - the coach jumped off, looked at me, and said "send this horse back, he's not suitable for you".

    Upon being asked why? "He's way too strong, you're not an effective enough rider to deal with it. You need a horse that doesn't pull."

    ...but he DOESN'T pull? He sets his neck and ignores on occasion, sure, but I have never felt like he was actually pulling. And him ignoring me? ALWAYS because he's offended. I'm not sure what that coach did that offended him, but he definitely was not impressed. [edit; this was ages ago now, I hadn't had him long... was still trialling him. So, two years ago at least - I learned to be effective because of him]

    I can give you a thousand examples of my horse being clearly vengeful. My OTHER horse has also bucked me off, and actually has a far lower percentage of good rides [granted she's only had twelve all up, including the one where she bucked me off, whereas Monty's had hundreds under me alone and only played up badly enough that I came off three times], but HER reasons for misbehaving are different.

    My little Thoroughbred - just as sensitive and intelligent as my half-Arab - bucked me off because she's cold-backed and I was stupid enough to get on bareback. Not smart on a cold-backed horse. She's also bucked once because she's so sensitive, and got a fright when my dog got under her feet. She almost reared with me yesterday because she didn't know what it was I was asking for. She gets a bit bracey and resisty of the bit at times, because she's due for her teeth to be done. Once, she refused to stand for mounting no matter what, and upon further inspection I discovered her bad stifle was sore. Magic is simple - reactive, sure, but simple. Her reasonings are simple, and thus she's easy to understand.

    Arabs are complex and it takes an altogether smarter person to 'get' them. Yes, they are horses. Not humans. But they've been bred for their brains, endurance and looks for millennia. A clever Arab with an excellent memory [for ALL things] that can and will hold grudges is not an anomaly in my experience.

    You don't force an Arab. Your authority is NEVER absolute with an Arab. It's a partnership. If your Arab says no, you look at WHY, you don't just get all up in its face until it does as it's told. Right? If in the end you determine that your Arab is just being a jerk [very VERY few horses are REALLY 'just being jerks' though] THEN you get all up in its face. But if there's a reason for it, even something as 'stupid' as that leaf in the corner of the arena being utterly terrifying and about to leap up and eat the horse, our wonderful horses need us to understand and fix the problem. Whether that's through jumping off and walking them up to the scary leaf and showing them that it's not actually going to kill them [I have done this on more than one occasion!] or looking at ways of taking their mind off the 'monster', they need us to help them out. Not just get up in their face and tell them they're being idiots.

    Perhaps you haven't been on the receiving end of an Arab's vengeful side. Perhaps you're one of those riders who just naturally has the feel NOT to offend them. But I have definitely copped it. Never for little things. Always for big screw-ups [and no, I have never made the same big screw-up twice]. Once he waited a whole month to get his revenge. If he doesn't react right away to a muck-up, you can guarantee he will be plotting payback.

    Oddly he is incredibly patient with beginners and will just take it and deal with it... but if I put someone with experience on him and they screw up, I better watch out - because he blames ME! Even people more experienced than me get told that while jumping, they need to put their hands up his neck and grab mane [no auto release, just a big crest release and fistful of mane], and make 10000000% sure they never EVER catch his mouth. Drop the reins completely if you have to just never catch him in the mouth. Most people who don't know him like I do tend to get a bit left behind over their fences, because he likes to take the long spot, so it's really important that I explain that.

    And yes... Monty blames ME if they do grab his mouth. He is an unusual horse, but IME a fairly typical Arab.
         
        03-26-2013, 05:28 AM
      #49
    Foal
    BlueEyedPony I hope you did not take offense to my generalization that hot blood crosses can be even more reactive than purebreds. The key words are "generalization" and "can be". Monty sounds like a great horse for you, and there are always exceptions to generalizations.

    IME though, the Anglo Arab is notoriously reactive. I have yet to meet one that was not flighty. They are incredible athletes. They are a cross between a horse that was bred to run really fast, and one that was bred to go for a really long tome, and (again, just my observational experience) they usually want to go fast, and for a long time.

    If someone can channel their energy and get them to trust them as a strong herd leader, they would be a formidable opponent in endurance races, eventing, anything that requires speed and endurance. But they need a job to do and a strong calm leader to do it with. In the wrong hands, as with any horse, they can be quite dangerous.

    It sounds like you have a great relationship with your horse. I do with mine as well, she is very attached to me, will not tolerate rough treatment, and constantly tests anyone new handling her. She is an APHA solid bred 1200lb stock horse. I had a tight bond with my Arab gelding too, but I have to say....I read someone on here saying Arabs are not forgiving. I beg to differ. My gelding was incredibly forgiving of my occasional temper tantrums and mistakes, and loved and trusted me regardless (I bought him when I was pretty young), he died when I was 28.

    My current mare would never be so forgiving. Make a mistake with her and you will pay for years. I think the whole forgiveness, holding grudges, while a bit anthropomorphic, is something I have noticed with my horses, and rather than being a breed issue, it may just be related to the individual horse, and IME geldings may be a little more forgiving than mares.

    When someone asks a question like "Arabs yay or nay?", it is really asking about breed generalizations, and when we give our opinions we are bound to offend people that have exceptions to the rule. I used to get irritated when people made disparaging remarks about Arabs, because my boy was such a great trustworthy horse. But, I worked hard, to earn his trust and confidence. It didn't happen overnight, and he *was* more reactive than my friend's QHs, but as our relationship grew he became less so. I never once fell off of him, and in the eight years I have owned my mare I have come off twice. While not as reactive as most hot blooded horses, if she gives a good spook, she can rock back on those powerful hindquarters and whip around in a 180 degree spin that actually left me standing on my feet one time.
         
        03-26-2013, 06:49 AM
      #50
    Trained
    KP, not at all :) I know plenty of completely insane Anglos. I also know several exceptionally quiet ones. It's a cross that has to be done very carefully, using the right mare and the right stallion, looking closely at the temperaments of both. My filly is entirely the wrong mare to use to breed an Anglo if you want a quiet one. Too reactive. And I know of several close relatives [half-brothers, half-sisters, one 3/4 brother {same sire, same damsire}] that are just plain mental.

    Interestingly using a TB stallion over an Arab mare gives you a totally different type, body wise, than using an Arab stallion over a TB mare. My Anglo is very TB-ish through the body, with a very long back, but has an Arab hind end [not in the good way either - he has a bad Arab hind end]. His neck set is divine and his head is just Araby enough but masculine and chunky to go with his enormous neck and shoulders. His dad was the TB. A friend's Anglo is by an Arab stallion, out of a TB mare, and absolutely insane. I know nothing about that particular mare's parents other than what parent was which breed. Another friend has a lovely sooty chestnut Anglo gelding, by an Arab stallion [100% Crabbet bred stud that belongs to another friend of mine, lovely lovely fellow and so quiet] and out of a TB mare, and he's so quiet, but wow - the conformation! And can he ever perform. Not a large sample size but you see it in draft/TB crosses, too. Heavy mare, light stallion, and you get the most consistent results. Heavy stallion, light mare, and the foal comes out more drafty-looking, which is desirable for some and not for others.

    And ohhh yeah, when a QH has a spack attack it's not fun to try to ride out!! There's a reason most of the rodeo broncs I've seen are stock types. QH mostly with the odd Paint. And one QH/Clydesdale cross - that one was frightening to watch LOL. But, QH don't -usually- have spack attacks, especially not big ones, as often as an Arab. I loved my mother's old QH, because he was smart and quick and sensitive but 100% reliable. I was ten when he was put to sleep due to blindness and another undiagnosed health issue [we think it -may- have been bone cancer] and a complete beginner but he was totally trustworthy with a TINY eight/nine year old who didn't have much of a clue.

    Unfortunately -most- QH in my area just aren't tall enough for my tastes, and -most- aren't built for what I do, otherwise I would have one. I do love the breed. Apparently I have diverse tastes! [I mean seriously... anything from Arabs to Welsh section A's, QH, drafts of all breeds... I don't like the look of Friesians or Akhal Tekes but temperament wise my wants vary from day to day lol]
         

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