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        05-21-2013, 10:45 PM
      #21
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NRW    
    I say he has an "awkward" back end because his left hind leg is slightly taller than his right. He is slightly put off by it when the vet did the stress tests on him, but otherwise is okay(proved by x-rays). Sound for trail riding, and what not. I have heard mixed thoughts on the legs from other unprofessional individuals who I have mentioned it to ~ but I'm not overly concerned with it, my vet is a really well known one and highly recommended in my area. After riding him several times with no problems the next day, and seeing him rough play in the pasture with the other geldings, I'm definitely confident in him being sound.
    This is interesting... it's something that can't be fixed by a chiropractic adjustment?
         
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        05-22-2013, 11:37 AM
      #22
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Corporal    
    I have owned several TWH-crosses over the years--QH/TWH, Arab/TWH, grade/TWH
    ALL of them gaited. It is a predominant gene. Yours doesn't gait, so no gaited cross. Nice horse, though.
    IMO, saddle makers are trying to sell us on a perfect fit, even though our own clothes fit differently depending on how fit we are, or skinny, or too fat. (GOD FORBID HORSEPEOPLE WOULD ADMIT TO THIS!!)
    Most of us are just used to additional padding under the saddle when necessary. As long as you are just schooling you don't have to worry about the extras coming off, BUT you can lose an extra pad on a long trail ride, so avoid that.
    I don't know if this will help, but I have had two horses--one now RIP, the other is my 16'3hh KMH--who have the best saddle fit with a 3/4" Roper pad I bought at some point--???when.
    Disagree. Mine is NOT gaited. Just because it doesn't gait does NOT 100% mean it cannot be a cross. Apparently you did not read my post.
         
        05-22-2013, 02:34 PM
      #23
    Started
    He looks like a Paint to me. Nice looking horse. As someone else mentioned, I don't see anything odd about his backend.
    Good luck with your saddle issue. My husband and I both ride Tuckers and the wide trees fit both out horses.
         
        05-22-2013, 02:39 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    I still think your horse has normal back conformation and what you have is a saddle that just simply doesn't fit this particular horse.

    He honestly looks like he would be an easier horse to fit. He's not overly wide, doesn't have a sway back, a short back, etc. His nice withers will hold most saddles in place.

    Why the Tucker doesn't fit I have no idea. But getting a saddle that fits is a lot more complicated than simply getting a wide or regular tree. Saddle makers want you to think that because they want to sell saddles. "Our saddles come in wide and regular, so it will fit your horse." Like someone else said, that would be like going to the store and buying clothing for yourself marked "wide" and "regular." Sure, it would fit a lot of wide people and regular people, but who determines what is wide and regular? And what if you are a small? Have a big chest? A big belly? Long arms? You might have difficulty finding a shirt to fit.

    Your horse looks like a very pretty Paint to me, probably with some Thoroughbred in him, which is common in stock horses. I really don't see gaited or Arab, but who knows.

    Actually, I own a QH/Missouri Fox Trotter cross with one hind leg shorter than the other! He is coming 3 years old. I *think* he has a gait, or at the least a very nice fast, smooth walk right before he goes into a trot. But I'm pretty sure he has a gait in there. I haven't really worked on developing it yet because right now he is a green 3 yr old that needs trail miles. But anyway, I own a cross like that.

    Anything is possible. Your guy could have some gaited blood. But just looking at him, I see Paint with perhaps some TB breeding (which would still make him a purebred Paint if he were registered as such).

    Unfortunately I think your Tucker saddle just doesn't fit him.

    I disagree with the folks that say it's how you mount. Yes, if you hang like a monkey from the saddle horn you can turn your saddle. But I am a heavy, ungraceful rider. If the saddle fits I can still mount my horse most of the time from the ground (at least my short horses, lol). If the saddle turns easily when mounting I think it is a fit issue with the saddle.
         
        05-24-2013, 10:51 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    He really looks like a TB cross to me. The smaller hind quarter, longer barrel, and higher set neck say TB to me. I love his build! It's what I like to see in a horse, no over muscled QH hind quarter. Nice deep girth!

    After all the QH lovers kill me for that last statement....

    Your saddle is probably a little wide. It looks to me like he would take a narrower tree and higher gullet.
    I ride a narrow high withered horse. I have to make sure I ride in a narrow and high saddle.
         
        05-28-2013, 02:01 PM
      #26
    Foal
    This may seem like a far cry but I would honestly say I see bits of the infamous Akhal Teke in your horse. At first glance I would say Appendix cros with a finer trotting horse, but now I would honestly bet on appendix cross with Akhal. The fine long, straight legs, fine longer back, and the smaller rump would normally say TB to me put he`s almost too upright, uphill, and fine to be all TB. The dead ringer for me is look at the fine almost metallic gloss of his coat, the light reflecting properites and the thinness of it are all above TB. Go google some pictures of Akhal`s and you`ll see what I mean, I think you might have a big dollar boy on your hands!
         
        05-28-2013, 10:43 PM
      #27
    NRW
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bellasmom    
    I'm assuming neither your vet nor his previous owners are very familiar with gaited horses.
    Actually, the people I got him from typically only sell gaited horses. The vet I use has a large variety of horses come to their clinic.... he's a well known vet and has been doing it for awhile so I'm sure he's seen a bit of gaited horses.



    @ Skyseternalangel : The vet didn't think so...he said he just thinks his leg is physically longer, but it could be worth a try having a chiro look at it. So if I find a good one in my area, I will probably let them have a look.

    @ smelmel : haha, I don't think he's got any akhal teke in him..if he does I bought him for the rock bottom price of 1k ;) He is a really shiny little guy though, I was super surprised when I first saw him get out in the sunlight with no tack on and saw the full extent of his shiny-ness... it's really pretty to watch him lunge :)


    I would believe the people saying they see tb. Since I think he's a little more thin than your typical paint or qh. Or qh paint. Now that I've been looking at him a little longer and seem him with the other horses. He does have similarities to a tb/paint cross at my barn(but is a lot shorter!)

    I tried a thicker pad with my saddle and have had better luck with it. It really doesn't slip around when I'm on him at all (he's a little spooky..and wary of a tarp that's near the arena...) and he hasn't had any soreness from the saddle. When I set the saddle on him, there's a little space on the sides but with the extra padding now(he's also gained some weight) it seems to fit better, not slipping off as much. I had some other people look at it to get their opinions and they seemed to think it fit.
    I'm taking him on a trail ride soon, if I have any issues then with it I'll definitely be looking into a new saddle... just am reluctant now since the thicker pad seems to be helping....

    I'm glad you guys think he's alright. :) I like him, even if he has proven to be a super knuckle head.

    Here's some more pictures of him if anybody else wants to give it a go:

    He's gained some weight in his gut, the pictures of him lungeing/trotting where it's overcast are from two days ago... the shiny pictures of him being a nut while he's lungeing/trotting are from about a week ago or so. He's still shiny though, just not so much when it's not sunny out. :)


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        05-29-2013, 06:47 AM
      #28
    Cat
    Green Broke
    Its very likely if he is a Paint that he also has a lot of TB blood in him. The paint registry allows one parent to be TB (jockeyclub) registered.
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        05-29-2013, 09:43 AM
      #29
    Yearling
    In my opinion there are two types of paint horses, the leaner type and the colored quarter horse type.

    Here is our horse we sold a while back, I would consider her to be the leaner type. Which I think looks to have a similar build.

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        05-29-2013, 11:22 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Paint or paint cross... Likely to have quite a bit of TB in there, which is not uncommon in paints. Its very likely he could have had TB or appendix parent(s)

    However, since he is not registered, he's just a pinto of TB type from what I can see. Also, not all TB's are 16+ hands. I actually know quite a few JC registered TB's that are right around or under 15hh, one granddaughter of Seattle Slew out of a Native Dancer bred stud was only 14.3hh.
         

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